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To: one_less who wrote (180975)	1/30/2006 12:05:01 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It is also a simple fact that they were helpless to initiate it or to bring that about on their own, against the power of Saddam's regime and like minded wannabees. Invading Iraq with the goal of setting up a democracy there also ignored a prior democratic election in Algeria which was an excellent example to contemplate. Recently, the Palestinians have provided yet another one.

To: one_less who wrote (180975)	1/31/2006 2:36:36 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi rcg; Re: "The Iraqies were helpless to speak up or fight against Saddams despotic tyranny." The Iraqis were, and remain, one of the best armed peoples of the whole friggin world. To compare them to "a defenseless child being repeatedly and brutally beaten" is to ignore the facts. Machine guns and rocket propelled grenades are everywhere over there. Do you think Saddam went around beating all those (machine gun armed) babies himself? No, it was Iraqis who brutalized Iraqis. And now, with the US invasion, what is going on? US soldiers shoot civilians (almost always accidentally, but it still leaves a big blood stain), and the new Iraqi government already has such a reputation for brutalizing Iraqis. Re: "Have you forgotten the 100% approval vote he got just before the invasion?" Hey, I'm not making any claims that Saddam was a poster child for Democracy. What I'm saying is that the Iraqi people were better prepared, in terms of privately owned military power, to overthrow Saddam THAN ANY PEOPLE IN MODERN HISTORY. To compare them with helpless babies is silly. The Iraqi people are shooting the crap out of both our own soldiers and the 150,000 new Iraqi soldiers. Some babies. And you fail to look at the other side of that 100% vote. The USSR regularly had fake elections just like that, and without any US soldiers having to die, their system naturally evolved into one where real elections take place. Re: "It is also a simple fact that they were helpless to initiate it or to bring that about on their own, against the power of Saddam's regime and like minded wannabees." If a couple machine guns and a rocker launcher per household isn't enough to arm a guerilla army I shudder to imagine what kind of arms you'd expect them to have, LOL. And if you agree that the majority of the people in Iraq wouldn't join a revolution, then hey, that's majority rule by bullet--or cowardice. It's like you're suffering under the delusion that all the world's peoples (excepting the US) are hopeless babes that are unable to organize themselves or fight for themselves. -- Carl