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To: Scoobah who wrote (12198)2/4/2006 2:27:14 PM
From: Scoobah  Respond to of 32591
 
Last update - 21:13 04/02/2006
Protesters set fire to Nordic embassies in Damascus
By News Agencies

Demonstrators in the Syrian capital set fire to the building that houses the Norwegian and Danish embassies.

Also on Saturday, Israeli Arabs took to the streets Saturday afternoon, joining a wave of protests sweeping the Middle East over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed that were first published in a Danish newspaper, then reprinted in about a score of other European papers.

Some 500 protestors marched through the Galilee city of Nazareth, expressing their solidarity with the Muslim world.

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The protests follow days of outcry in Europe and the Arab world over the drawings.

The attacks on the embassies of Denmark, Sweden and Norway were the most violent so far of the protests against the caricatures.

No diplomats were reported injured in the attacks, but Norway and Denmark called on their citizens to leave Syria amid the spiraling tensions.

"It's horrible and totally unacceptable," Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller said on Danish public television.

Moeller said he telephoned his Syrian counterpart, Farouk al-Sharaa, "to tell him it was totally unacceptable that Syrian authorities have not been able to protect the embassy." He said al-Sharaa responded saying he regretted the incident.

Sweden's embassy is in the same building as Denmark's and the country's foreign minister Laila Freivalds said she has called in the Syrian ambassador in Stockholm for a meeting on Saturday night so Sweden can issue a formal protest.

"I will deliver the protest and say that this has escalated too far," Freivalds told news agency TT. "We expect the kind of protection we have a right to demand."

Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere said he had requested a telephone meeting with the Syrian foreign minister.

"It is extremely unfortunate when an embassy is attacked," he said. "What has happened is an extremely serious matter."

Meanwhile, hundreds of Palestinians stormed European institutions and burned German and Danish flags in Gaza City.

About two dozen protesters stormed the German cultural center Saturday morning, smashing windows, breaking doors and burning the German flag. Down the street, about 30 Palestinians threw stones at the European Commission building, and replaced the EU flag with a Palestinian flag, before police brought them under control.

About 50 schoolchildren and teenagers gathered at one corner of the street shortly after to try to resume the attacks on the two buildings, but Palestinian riot police, armed with batons, pushed them back. The youths threw stones at the police, then fled.

Later in the day, about 400 protesters marched to the European Commission building, accompanied by a loudspeaker car that blared, "Insulting the prophet means insulting every Muslim," and urged merchants to boycott Danish products: "With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet." Protesters also set fire to a Danish flag.

Police set up a cordon at the building to prevent stone-throwing, but protesters heeded organizers' appeals and didn't attack the building. Most of the demonstrators were merchants who called for a boycott of European goods, and many carried small books of the Quran, the Islamic holy book.

Elsewhere in Gaza City, armed men with links to the Fatah Party handed out red carnations to students, nuns and the priest at a Roman catholic school, to apologize for other Fatah gunmen who threatened earlier in the week to target churches as part of their protests.

"We came to show that we are united, Muslims and Christians, and that we oppose assaulting our Christian brothers," said one gunman, flowers in hand.

The cartoons have caused a furor across the Muslim world, in part because Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depictions of Islam's holiest figure. Aggravating the affront was one caricature of Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse.

The cartoons were first published in Denmark, and then in newspapers elsewhere in Europe in a show of solidarity with press freedoms.

In Brussels on Saturday, the European Union called on the Palestinian Authority to protect EU buildings from attack.

"The Commission expects the Palestinian authorities to ensure that European premises are properly protected," the EU said. "The Commission deeply regrets that Europeans who are working to bring a better life to Palestinians should be the subject of such attacks."

In the West Bank town of Hebron, about 50 Palestinians marched to the headquarters of the international observer mission there, burned a Danish flag, and demanded a boycott of Danish goods.

"We will redeem our prophet, Muhammad, with our blood,' they chanted.

At least 500 demonstrators gathered peacefully in Nazareth for the first protest against the caricatures in Israel. A procession set off from the As-Salam mosque toward the Basilica of the Annunciation, where Christian tradition says Mary was informed of Jesus' impending birth. Sheik Raed Salah, a radical leader of the Islamic Movement, was to address the crowd later.

"Allah is the only God, and Muhammad is his prophet," loudspeakers blared as the march began.

The United States condemned the cartoons, siding with Muslims outraged that newspapers put press freedom over respect for religion. "We ... respect freedom of the press and expression but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable," said State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper.

Major U.S. publications have not republished the cartoons.

In contrast, some European media responded to the criticism against the Danish newspaper that originally printed the caricatures by reproducing the images and fueled anger that has led to boycotts of Danish products and widespread protests.

The furor cuts to the question of which is more sacred in the Western world - freedom of expression or respect for religious beliefs. In the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the protests came just a week after Hamas defeated the ruling Fatah party in parliament elections and prepared to form the next government.

Newspapers in France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland and Hungary have reprinted caricatures originally published in Denmark, arguing that press freedom is more important than the protests and boycotts they have provoked. One cartoon shows the Muslim prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse.

Muslims consider any images of Muhammad to be blasphemous.

The Danish foreign ministry in Copenhagen said all Danes, except for two diplomats, have left the West Bank and Gaza in recent days. The Danish representative office in the West Bank was to be closed Friday because of the threats, a local diplomat said, and the situation would be reassessed after the weekend.

Norway closed its representative office in the West Bank to the public on Thursday because of the threats, but said the 23-member staff remains on the job.

Danish and French members of international observer team at the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt stayed away from Gaza on Thursday, and instead worked from the group's headquarters in the nearby Israeli city of Ashkelon, said a spokesman, Julio de La Guardia.

Foreign reporters either pulled out of Gaza or canceled plans to go to the volatile coastal strip.



To: Scoobah who wrote (12198)2/4/2006 10:39:29 PM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32591
 
You want an "insightful" post from Richnorth? Well, the post below gives insights into Ahmadinejad's recent pronouncements and behaviour. (I could have posted this earlier had I not been called away. I have just returned and haven't had a chance yet to read all the posts.)

Tehran Gives World Leaders A History Lesson

By Greg Felton
Columnist - Canadian Arab News
2-1-6

Over the past two months or so, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the newly elected president of Iran, has made his mark on the world stage to overwhelmingly bad reviews.

Observations like: Israel should be wiped off the map; Israel should be moved to Europe; Europe supported the founding of Israel because of Holocaust guilt; and the Holocaust is a myth - have been vehemently condemned.

Here's Prime Minister Paul Martin's diatribe:

"These statements are irresponsible, contrary to Canadian values To cast doubt on the Holocaust and to suggest that Israel be 'moved' to Europe, the United States or Canada is completely unacceptable to the Canadian people."

This is the same Paul Martin, by the way, who last month asserted: "Israel's values are Canada's values." Good Gawd! What better proof is there that Canada's Foreign Ministry is under Zionist occupation?

Anyway, while world leaders like Martin sputter away and pro-Israel typists like the Globe and Mail's Mark MacKinnon do their best to stigmatize Ahmadinejad as a threat to world peace, let's subject his "outrageous" statements to historical scrutiny:

1. "Israel should be wiped off the map"

First of all, we should ask: "Should Israel be on the map in the first place?" Loyal readers of this space know the answer, but for the rest of you, here's the Reader's Digest version.

First, the Nov. 29, 1947, "Partition Plan (UN General Assembly Resolution 181) was never ratified by the Security Council, and thus any division of Palestine into Jewish and non-Jewish areas was never legal. Moreover, a UNGA Resolution is only binding if all parties to it agree to be bound by its terms, which in this case did not happen.

Second, the General Assembly had no right under the UN Charter to take land from one people (Arabs) and give it to another people (European Jews).

Three, David ben Gurion declared Israeli statehood on May 15, 1948, even though the term of UNGA Res. 181 had not expired. Therefore, the creation of Israel was a land grab contrary to the UN and international law.

Four, Israel was admitted to the UN on May 11, 1949, only after it agreed to sign UNGA Res. 273, by which it recognized the right of all Palestinians to return to their homes and receive compensation.

Israel is a criminal entity that has never had a moral, legal or political right to exist. Score one for Ahmadinejad.

2. "Israel should be moved to Europe."

He's got a point. In fact, ben Gurion said much the same thing to Nahum Goldmann, future head of the World Jewish Congress:

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

Why indeed? Since the EuroJews who created "Israel" were mostly Slavs, it does seem logical to move the "Jewish State" to Ukraine, Poland, Russia or Byelorus. After all, Slavs are not a Middle Eastern people.

That's two for the plucky president!

3. In Mecca, Ahmadinejad implied that European countries had backed the founding of Israel in the Middle East in 1948 out of guilt over the Nazi genocide. (AP reporting)

In fact, Western European governments were largely against the creation of Israel, but pro-Israel U.S. senators threatened to withhold Marshall Plan reconstruction aid if they didn't support UNGA Res. 181. Guilt was doubtless rife throughout Europe, but blackmail was a bigger reason.

The Holocaust had nothing whatever to do with "Israel" which had been in the works since the 1870s. As professor Ilan Pappé of Haifa University wrote in 1997:

"Generally speaking, the Zionists succeeded in persuading large segments of world public opinion to link the Zionist cause with the Holocaust. Against such a claim, even able Palestinian diplomats-and there were not many in those days-could hardly win the diplomatic game."

Since guilt did play some role, I'll give Ahmadinejad credit for this one.

4. "If someone were to deny the existence of God ... and deny the existence of prophets and religion, they would not bother him. However, if someone were to deny the myth of the Jews' massacre, all the Zionist mouthpieces and the governments subservient to the Zionists tear their larynxes and scream against the person as much as they can."

The Holocaust has been so polluted by propaganda that it's virtually impossible to separate fact from disinformation, so I cannot say for certain if Ahmadinejad is right. For its part the International Committee of the Red Cross published a three-volume report in 1948 in which it found no evidence of systematic genocide. On the other hand, estimates of Jewish deaths range from 470,000 to 9 million!

I believe Ahmadinejad is wrong to deny the Holocaust outright, but he is right to call into question the dogmatic acceptance of Zionist verities, such as Auschwitz's Crematorium I, which exists today. As reporter Eric Conan wrote in a lengthy 1995 exposé for France's L'Express:

"In 1948, when the Museum was created, Crematorium I was reconstructed in a supposed original state. Everything about it is false (Tout y est faux): the dimensions of the gas chamber, the locations of the doors, the openings for pouring in Zyklon B, the ovens (rebuilt according to the recollections of some survivors), the height of the chimney."

Also, the new plaque at the entrance to Auschwitz reflects the Polish government's revision of the number of dead from 4 million to 1.5 million. The 4 million figure came from Capt. Rudolph Höss, the camp commandant, whose testimony has been discredited.

Despite the reduction of 2.5 million dead, the Zionist figure of 6 million is still maintained. Clearly, this number is pure myth, and Ahmadinejad is at least partly right.

Final score: 3.5 out of 4. Excellent!

It seems honesty and courage are Iranian values. Too bad they aren't Canadian, eh Mr. Martin?

Send comments to: gregf@gregfelton.com

Greg Felton is an award-winning investigative reporter and columnist on Middle East affairs from British Columbia, Canada.
He writes a political column for the bi-weekly Arabic/English newspaper Canadian Arab News, contributes to mediamonitors.net, and is the author of an upcoming book on U.S. Middle East policy. Mr. Felton holds a Bachelor's degree in Russian Studies and a Master's in Political Science from the University of British Columbia.
He is married with one child.



To: Scoobah who wrote (12198)2/5/2006 9:41:23 AM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 32591
 
If I am not mistaken zonkie said, "If you want to ban Richnorth, go ahead."

To me, all this asking for a vote is a waste of time and it smacks of pretence. This is bad, very bad! As the leader of the thread, it is you who must take charge.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if I am banned or not. I don't have any compulsion to have to keep on posting on this thread as if my dear life depends on it. It might interest you to know, prior to all this storm in a teacup and making a mountain out of a molehill, I had planned on posting less and less on the internet in general because I will be very busy preparing for a chess tournament and studying a foreign language.

I started posting here by chance and, regardless of what others may say or have said, I believe I have made in a mere two months enough contributions that have much content in them. One catty bitch, however, complained I made too little contribution. Well, how much contribution can one make in a short 2 months? Yet some thought I have made one post too many! By contrast, the liar ILCUL8R who said I wasted his time, made less than 3 posts per month over 8 years!

I believe the VERY FEW members here (uhm, only 9 after so much furor!) who want me banned are those who are narrow-minded, ignorant, humourless, fearful of coming face to face with the truth on some issues, even jealous, or they are simply petty, mean-spirited, arrogant and presumptuous and generally intolerant of other people's views that are at variance with theirs. Hhmmm, of that 9, I believe a few were probably strong-armed or arm-twisted into....... and they are too embarrassed to show who they are! LOL. With that said, Steve, you are liberty to make up any number you want and put the blame on them. LOL

At times, it seems those VERY FEW members want this thread to be one where all members sing Halleluias and Hosanas to the blessed trinity --- the US + Israel + Democracy --- all day long. and anything else will not be tolerated regardless of its merits! LOL

PS. So far I have across only three level-headed ones,
Nadine, Peter and Zonkie.
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