To: Crabbe who wrote (4048 ) 2/8/2006 9:37:49 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218584 <I find it hard to believe that farm reared children were poorer nourished than Twinkie feed children of the late 20th century. > Deficiency diseases were common 100 years ago during that time of supposedly excellent nutrition. Iodine, iron, vitamin C, vitamin D and other deficiencies were normal. People had lead paint on the roof collecting the drinking water. Lead was all over the place. As was mercury. And other toxins. You are welcome to not believe the Flynn Effect, but that's like not believing magnetism. The only question about it is why the data shows the Flynn Effect, not whether there is a Flynn Effect. Flynn himself didn't want their to be a Flynn Effect, but he was honest enough to accept the data as factual, and try to deal with it in relation to his other ideas. <Ultimately what M calls IT will do the inventing and developing for us. > That's not what I think - you can leave off the "for us" part. Just as we don't do inventions and developing for chimpoids who lived long ago, or for our current chimp cousins, It won't be doing things for "us". For a while, there will be symbiosis, as there was for a century as machines and humans developed together, but with machines being mindless material things not much smarter than a rock. Ted Kaczynski could see it coming. But gradually, humans will be less and less relevant. Already, great swathes of humanity are freeloaders who really have no part in what's coming down the pike. Their electoral power continues to allow them to bludge on the productive, but that might come to a halt at some stage. The end of history won't be a bludger society where half the population works and half bludges, which is the current democratic system. Nature doesn't like too much entropy or general inefficiency. Nature is relentless and ruthless. Mqurice