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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9978)	2/7/2006 3:11:17 PM
From: Edscharp	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22250

Freedom is to know the balance between silence and speech, to know when and about what to speak in public, not to rave and rant at will, not caring for the sensitivities of others. Oh, I don't agree. Freedom is the almost absolute right to say what you wish whenever you want to. The exception is where one uses speech to endanger people....such as, yelling fire in a crowded theatre, incitement to do harm, and a few other well known examples. "Discretion" is when one know's the balance between silence and speech. Thus, the Dane who penned the cartoon could've and perhaps even should've been more discrete, but freedom of speech gave him the right to publish it anyway.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9978)	2/8/2006 3:18:47 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: Relevant to our discussion about SI and what one says or doesn't say: >>Freedom is to know the balance between silence and speech, to know when and about what to speak in public, not to rave and rant at will, not caring for the sensitivities of others. Hate-mongering is not freedom of speech. If one is able to think one's thoughts freely, one would not partake of vulgarity, or imagine that one's own freedom can be earned at the cost of that of others. One would never mistake power for freedom. The former is a zero-sum game, the latter is not, for it implies that the freedom of each is contingent on the freedom of all.<< A Technocracy member is required to have not only the right opinions, but the right instincts. Many of the beliefs and attitudes demanded of him are never plainly stated, and could not be stated without laying bare the contradictions inherent in Laissezfaire. If he is a person naturally orthodox (in Doubletalk a goodthinker), he will in all circumstances know, without taking thought, what is the true belief or the desirable emotion. But in any case an elaborate mental training, undergone in childhood and grouping itself round the Doubletalk words crimestop, blackwhite, and doublethink, makes him unwilling and unable to think too deeply on any subject whatever. A Technocracy member is expected to have no private opinions and no respites from enthusiasm. He is supposed to live in a continuous frenzy of hatred of foreign enemies and internal traitors, triumph over victories, and selfabasement before the power and wisdom of the Technocracy. The discontents produced by his bare, unsatisfying life are deliberately turned outwards and dissipated by such devices as the Bin Laden Hate, and the speculations which might possibly induce a sceptical or rebellious attitude are killed in advance by his early acquired inner discipline. The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Doubletalk, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Laissezfaire, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity. [...] Excerpted (and updated) from: Subject 33609