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To: JohnM who wrote (11246)	2/8/2006 1:13:00 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541658

As in "we should have not have single payer health insurance for all because, grumble, grumble, grumble, it should not be a right." No, it's an appreciation that there is no right to transfer payments and that we shouldn't be creating those transfer payments based on a bogus notion. Some people think constitutional principle first, then program. Others think program first, and about principle not at all--whatever works.

To: JohnM who wrote (11246)	2/8/2006 1:15:42 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541658

we should have not have single payer health insurance for all because, grumble, grumble, grumble, it should not be a right." That's a very illogical statement, so I would have to agree with you if that's the argument! I didn't think that was where Williams was going, though. More that he was saying that it isn't a right, and thus that can't be the reasoning behind the program. I think. I am getting confused. I think I understand what you are advocating, and in my ideal world, I agree with you. But I like very clear definitions and "rights" is one of those that people have used profligately in their efforts to get things. (I can remember taking one of those driving courses and the teacher and a student getting into a huge argument about whether driving was a right or a privelege). We probably aren't disagreeing at all in what would be the ideal, just in how we get there.