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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (181437)	2/9/2006 10:04:02 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"In that sense there was freedom of speech in the old USSR too. You could say anything you wanted- -once. That's a total evasion. "Freedom of ..." means you get to do something WITHOUT governmemntal consequences. There are some limits on freedom of speech in the US too. You can't legally start a panic. You can't legally incite a riot. If you defame someone, you can be sued. But most things are allowed, including saying or publishing matters that apparently are illegal in Denmark. You CAN legally publish a cartoon such as any of those and the gov't can do nothing about it." Until the specific case goes to court and gets decided by a court of law. Here is an example. This story was told and printed 100 years ago in Denmark. God made Adam but found out that Adam was dissatisfied. So God took one of Adam's ribs and made Eve. Sometime later God tried to find Adam but couldn't. Eventually God found Adam under a bush, untidy. Adam kneeled before God and said, "God, take all of my ribs and make women out of them. The editor got a fine(the prosecution tried to get jail time for the editor) and the author lost his support from the state. Today we laugh about that episode as I hope muslims will laugh about the present cartoon episode. "Maybe our editors should visit yours to find out where their backbone is again." That kind of "backbone" is irresponsibility. "...although not in line with what you preciously implied...." Your problem that you read too much into what is written. "Yes, Europe spent more than a century straightening out that little mess. That's precisely why gov't should stay clear of religion." That's precisely why gov't should not stay clear of religion as they do in the US and in Denmark. "Check out Saudi Arabia. You'd BETTER be Muslim there." There you go again, mixing apples and oranges. We were talking about Denmark not SA. "Others who might have that on their mind seem to have noted that." Yes, and now they are getting local legislators to pass laws that impose unreasonable safety requirements on the abortion clinics. Laws which make the burden of going to higher courts extremely difficult. In Denmark the safety requirements are the same for all hospitals and clinics, both public and private. By the way, Wade vrs. Roe was an example of the impossibility of a total separation of church and state. In other words there are limits to freedom of speech as well as freedom of religion.