To: Maurice Winn who wrote (4175 ) 2/10/2006 4:53:17 AM From: Crabbe Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218131 "We can assume, using your argument, that you must be paid to espouse your ideas about the greenhouse effect [which seem to be just regurgitated from popular literature - which are your own ideas, not copied?]" I first read of global warming in 1967, it stuck with me because I mentioned it to a friend, a mutual friend was there and it really caught his attention, therefor amplifying mine. I never considered it to be a problem that would develop in my lifetime so I essentially never much worried about it. Then this discussion was started and I did a few hours of research on the internet. I came away from that study with a new awakening and a new fear. It is pretty obvious that the weather can work like a wall switch, push it lightly and it doesn't change, keep pushing harder and harder and wham the switch moves and the light comes on. I discovered several things in that few hours of research that worried me. The carbon dioxide level is closing in on doubling since 1850. and is increasing at a faster and faster rate. Half of the industrial revolution CO2 has been absorbed by the oceans. The Oceans have absorbed most of the increase in heat (global warming) of the past century. Warmer water can hold less carbon dioxide. The surface ocean waters are reaching saturation for the temperature they are at. Further rise in the ocean temp will force release of the stored CO2, causing a thermal runaway as more CO2 creates more warming, and more warming creates more CO2. What really worried me: I discovered the thermohaline effect. I learned of the freshening of the Arctic Atlantic. I learned that the Gulf Stream transports 100 trillion KW of heat to Britain and North and central latitude Europe. I learned there has been a 30% reduction of that surface water flow in the past several years. I learned that the deep water return has decreased by 75% in the last years. I learned that the Arctic Ocean is expected to be ice free with in 15 years in summer, recent flights have observed open water at the North Pole already. I learned that most of Europe has experienced record cold weather for this and last year. I think I am going to invest in home heating appliances from European manufactures. If the Gulf Stream does shut down completely, there will be an average 8-10 degrees C cooling of Europe extended to past Moscow in the winter although it is expected to have little if any effect on summer weather. Present heating equipment will be inadequate, energy sources such as Russian Natural Gas will be another good investment I think. r PS I find your integrity to be much better than I indicated, but then I was just trying to pull your chain a little.