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To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (7366)	2/11/2006 1:57:59 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15857

click fraud may well be real for porn. I think porn makes users type in some kind of "adult check" verification, not sure what it is but 14-year old boys who don't have this adult check probably routinely click on every porn site they can get their hands on to see if somebody lets them through. The "pay" per click ratio is probably super low. I am certain there are many more knowledgeable porn people on this site than me though! <gg>

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (7366)	2/11/2006 2:21:38 PM
From: KeepItSimple	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15857

Then why are you claiming it doesnt exist? Look, you people, widespread automated click fraud is NOTHING LIKE someone getting up to go to the bathroom during a commercial and thus not seeing the commercial. If there is any analogy online, it would be if someone were running an ad-filtering program so they dont see the ads at all. Clickfraud is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. It consists of your competitors clicking on your ads all day to deplete your budget, then your ads no longer appear and their's are now shown in the top slot. It also consists of people setting up websites, then running automated software to CLICK ON THE ADS ON THEIR WEBSITE, so that they get paid actual real money from advertisers who have no way of knowing that NOBODY saw any of those ads. You know the biggest damning part of clickfraud? With regular banner ads back in the day, all of the big companies like doubleclick were FORCED to show their log data to third party auditors because it made sense that they could not be trusted. Yet now, Google and Yahoo and MSN share NONE of their logs. They just say "trust us" Why won't they let their logs be audited like doubleclick and all the rest did? Why won't they at least provide an IP address with each click they charge you for? If you think all of this is the same as someone fast forwarding through a commercial on Tivo, you're just completely clueless. Nobody can make thousands of dollars a month by fast forwarding through tivo ads or going to the bathroom. But someone doing clickfraud can make HUGE profits. ------------------------------------- I don't know much about click fraud's details,