To: loantech who wrote (6598 ) 2/15/2006 11:45:30 AM From: E. Charters Respond to of 78416 That sort of stuff is routine in North American prisons for the last 50 years. That is why they have riots. It isn't just about the food. The guards are often sadists. You might wonder why, but in psyche we studied "prison-warden" psychology. It seems that there is a "need to punish" that at first would seem to make little logical sense to the detached observer, but it comes naturally to the human who is put in charge of "bad people". If told to torture, that is what Mr. Average up and does. He presses the button and inflicts pain. It's his job. Being mean to hard cases isn't hard. US prisons under right wing neo-con policies are now perhaps the most repressive and corrupt in the world. This has been going on since 1970 when prisons were made into HMO equivalents by private enterprise. They torture AND turn a profit. AND society feels it needs to punish lower class criminals, translate B and H, with long prison sentences for the most trivial of crimes. There is only so much hard time that is justified for merely beating up a granny and stealing her purse. After the first 20 years, the rest is wasted tax dollars. The US has ten times the number of prisoners in jail Canada has per capita. (the US has more people in prison per capita than Red China! -- highest in the world now!) Yet Canada has lower crime overall. No increase since the 1970's. In fact a decline. We must be doing something right. BF Skinner saw it rightly in his treatises on behaviouristic psychology. He felt if we did not start to heal people from the start with behaviour mod (which is the only therapy proven to work) then we ended up with a society that would continually break down from feeding on itself as a segment the have nots rebelled and became progressively more anti-social. The lower the prison sentences in general, the less crime. It makes eminent sense. In fact they should rehab ALL the Arabs in Abu-G. They are from a different culture, trained to resist what they see as an oppressive autocracy. Why they did not rebel against their own bad programming is a lesson to be learned. But you get more flies with honey. They were ripe for reprogramming but the US saw them as a criminal class. Not only is the treatment of these political prisoners (I did not say benign, I said political) -- wrong, it is wrong-headed. You might just as well have imprisoned the whole south after the Civil war. It was bad enuff that they stole their land and their representation, putting them in prison would have fit the conqueror mentality of the Yankee overlords. If the US had chosen to reward the prisoners and make converts out of them it would have found that the siren lure of owning a Dairy Queen franchise competes soundly with the message of the Mullah "direct from the prophet". 72 flavours beats 72 Virgins on any given hot day. The best citizen resists ALL propaganda from peers and authority. EC<:-}