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To: Rambi who wrote (12113)	2/15/2006 12:48:48 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541622

I think some of us, based on Cheney's DUI history and the beer remark, might legitimately wonder if alcohol was involved. To state it as a fact would be unfair, and illogical, but to wonder about it seems perfectly ok to me. If Clinton shot someone out hunting, I would probably wonder if he had been drinking too (and then I might also wonder if maybe a pretty girl distracted him). I think Kholt nailed it when she mentioned patterns, but seeing patterns, and believing absolutely that they are true, are different things. You and I saw patterns in the ME which made us doubt the necessity for the Iraq war, and also fear for its outcome- and we both so posted. We couldn't be absolutely sure about our conclusions before the fact, but we did see the patterns. I think some people are more prone to seeing the patterns as absolute truth than others- and that's a hard thing to cure- and it seems unfair, because it IS unfair. You can't call a hypothesis truth until you've tested it well against reality, and reality has been the making of it.

To: Rambi who wrote (12113)	2/15/2006 12:56:34 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541622

Like E. said in her response, it's one thing to say there is a hole in the record and a possibility Cheney was intoxicated, so it's a legitimate question to raise absent proof to the contrary. If this had been an ordinary civilian they would have called 911, the police would have come and probably breathalyzed the shooter on the spot to determine possible negligence. Since that didn't happen here due to the VP's status, it's fair ground for questioning. An unacceptable skewering here would be, "What kind of fool are you for thinking Cheney wasn't drunk since he is a lying SOB and we all know it, moron!" The folks I will excise from the board favor that drift, if not quite so directly. One approach opens the discussion to a possibility that needs verification, the other is just an attack on anything and anyone outside the poster's own bias. FWIW, I give a lot of latitude for skewering politicians for the reasons I stated before, but not skewering other posters here for a political view.