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To: carranza2 who wrote (12282)	2/16/2006 1:33:08 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 541346

only the public statements of administration members who believe presidential authority in this area has no limits and should have no limits I thought there was an effort to tone down the rhetoric and partisanship here. I've never agreed with that formulation. It's a criticism of the way the Bush administration operates and it's beliefs about the uses of power. I'm critical of that and them and plan to be so. You'll have to ask Dale what his view of those kinds of comments are. For myself, the key posting virtue is discourse civility, not the presence or absence of partisanship. I still don't know what you propose. Do you think FISA in its present form is a good statute? I gather so, but I cannot tell. I thought it was clear. It's that we have no evidence, save from Bush administration folk, that the system didn't work and a good deal of evidence from within that central actors were unwilling to make the changes the Bush folk wished to make. And, thus, it's reasonable to conclude they either thought it was working or did not see the danger as sufficiently pressing to bypass the procedures. So, I don't see evidence it needs changing. The much larger problem in this area for me is the data mining stuff. Gonzales stayed away from that in his testimony before congress. That raises genuinely thorny questions and needs serious examination by some credible members of congress.