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To: greenspirit who wrote (182008)	2/16/2006 5:02:06 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I think you are wrong mike. Clinton was charged with anything and everything and some of it was damn silly. Who killed vince foster? and rape of that other woman which i have no idea if true. Now on the duck thread they attack laura. Its all so dumb. Subject 56422

To: greenspirit who wrote (182008)	2/17/2006 7:10:55 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

After I wrote that, I remembered that during 2004 the Republican Party sent out, on official stationary with its name and address on the top, a letter to West Virginian voters that said that if the Democratic Party won the Presidency, they would push to "outlaw" the Bible. I can't say I recall the exact phrase they used, but the intent was clear. Republicans say stupid things all the time. They invent conspiracies and spew them forth. I don't doubt that Clinton did some reprehensible things--but some, probably all (I'm too tired now to think about it and search for examples), of those things have analogous things that Republicans and the Bush admin have done--and worse, if you consider that going to war in the way he did it is worse than getting blow job in the White House and then lying about it in a deposition that should never have happened in the first place and where the questioners had received their information in advance from a woman who illegally tapped her phone calls and an illegal conspiracy between the Independent Prosecutor and the Jones lawyers. Undoubtedly you will dispute that characterization of the Clinton deposition that caused the rucus, but so be it--facts are facts. screaming Hillary wanted her buddies to run the travel office. umm, guess what, they had the right to fire a guy running the WH travel office whose loyalties lay with a party that fundamentally despised them. Guess you think a democrat runs the Bush travel office, huh? What you did see were people criticizing his renting out the Lincoln bedroom That's a joke, as if at least as bad hasn't been done by the Bush people who have raised far more money and spread far sleaze than the Clintons ever did. Hell, the first thing the Bush people did when they got into the WH was lie about the Clinton vandalizing the place before they left. The GAO did a study and found no evidence of unusual work orders to fix things as of the following May. But I am willing to bet that most people think that Clinton's people did do the vandalization, but cause the Bush lie made page 1 headlines, while the GAO study was relegated to page 12 or so, with only Jim Lehrer actually apologizing publicly for giving the lie such prominent play. Yeah, I know, it's a liberal press. Ugh, as I type, I'm starting to remember this stuff, it makes me nauseated. You can have the last word on this, personally, I don't want to revisit it anymore. I'll just conclude by saying that Bush's lies have been far more numerous and far more consequential (in a mostly negative way) than any of Clinton's lies (including his alleged lies). And the Republican means of disseminating their own conspiracy stories are simply different than Democratic means, for the most part. I will grant that Republicans are far better at manipulating the media and doing PR/Mad Ave type rhetoric than Democrats. Far far better. Including using their laughable claim that the media is so "liberal"--they make that "true" by defining left and right in ways that are crazy to begin with.