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To: coug who wrote (12578)	2/17/2006 10:25:02 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 541347

I will let Dale answer for himself. For me the center is (in no particular order): Sen. Arlen Specter, US Senator Gen. Colin Powell, a decorated US soldier Cong. John Murtha, US Congressman Let me know who is a lefty and a righty of the three I mentioned above.

To: coug who wrote (12578)	2/17/2006 10:48:21 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541347

Dale has often said you don't HAVE to be centrist in your ideas, or in your posts- but you do have to be polite, and you do have to contribute more than just partisan talking points (defined as points that both sides recognize as holy grail- and points which are traded almost without thought, as badges of political identity politics.) That's not to say you can't occasionally bang your partisan drum- as long as you don't do it repeatedly without offering anything else (or at least that is the way I understand this thread. Dale will correct me if I am wrong.) It is certainly possible to beat the partisan tom toms relentlessly, but I'm not sure where it gets you (other than exiled from this thread). The folks who agree with us, agree with us already (speaking as someone from the left)- and if you want to create change, then you have to add more people to your party, and you aren't going to add them by being relentlessly edgy. In a way, it's just another variation of the old saying "You can catch more flies with honey..." IMO we lefties have to furnish some honey, and we'd better furnish it fast- because just being anti-Bush (no matter how sensible that is) isn't much of a platform for the future. To use your own analogy, being anti-Hitler wouldn't have been enough to save Germany- someone had to offer something better than Hitler offered, Right? Sadly no one made that offer to the German people in a way that resonated.