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To: pqrs who wrote (3998)2/18/2006 4:45:36 PM
From: rrm_bcnu  Respond to of 8122
 
pqrs,

I want both you and rrufff to know that the war continues.

Oddly enough, it is the war to preserve "freedom of speech." Those who have cyberstalked me across multiple message boards would deny me the right to say anything about any stock. Their vendetta, apparently at the behest of some central figure, has been compared by me and others to the Brown Shirts of 1930's Germany.

These vigilantes would have the world bow down to their views of the internet, and in so doing have become what they profess to hate.

I once likened them to internet terrorists. That really seemed to strike a nerve. I believe they view themselves as some sort of internet patriots... here to protect the unsuspecting from evildoers.

We all know that the true patriots are militia. Just ordinary folks who get tired of being pushed around by an oppressive hand.

It was perhaps appropriate that I was reminded that my education was clearly inferior to those attacking me, citing every Ivy League school and degree one can imagine.

What came to mind was the definition of the word arrogance:

The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption.

I have been mocked because I fought in war for the rights that these people tout. Oddly enough, I'd do it again. I have been laughed at because I worked to earn my degree after normal work hours ceased, and on week-ends. I have been derided for actually wanting to give the company another chance to make good on their attempt to make a go of it. I have been mocked and smeared by a gang of schoolyard bullies who high-five and back-slap each others inane remarks like 5th graders.

I fought on their ground for several months; I see that others have taken up that fight, and that still more continue the fight that inspired me originally.

There should be enough room on the internet for free exchange of opinion. However, if we do not preserve the balance, we will lose those freedoms as we are labeled touts, promoters, and pumpers... striking back with distorters, bashers, and scammers. In the process we lose all semblence of rational thought and meaningful exchange.

I was told by the SI Admins that the Bulls and Bears boards here on SI was in no small part do to the harassment and retaliation evident when I was a paying subscriber here. I still believe a board that doesn't allow personal attacks and childish name calling is more conducive to meaningful exchange. By SI's failure to follow their own TOU, they lost my subscription.

Citing the weaknesses of PLNI in it's struggle to become a reporting company is important, but a constant rehashing of that material, coupled with attacks on any positive comments, suggests a far more sinister and convoluted motivation. I now choose to continue the fight on my own terms. I thank every one for their support, and for their criticism when I deserve it.

Cheers

Rick



To: pqrs who wrote (3998)2/19/2006 8:53:01 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 8122
 
PQRS - I want to thank you for your kind words and support. I've gotten a lot of favorable responses but yours was the most compelling. It says a lot about you.

When we first met on IHub, I realized you were someone who posted his mind and stood up for his values. I'd say we are much alike, with the possible exception that you leap a bit before looking, not necessarily a bad trait LOL. As I've started to watch your work over the past months, you have been one of the first to uncover and to post both positive and negative arguments and facts with respect to your stocks of interest. This upsets some longs often, but your approach has been even handed and you "call it as you see it."

I do believe that there is nothing wrong with posting negatives and that we longs only delude ourselves if we think this stuff should be ignored. I've often felt that doing my own analysis and discovering the whole story is better than being hit by a Pearl Harbor attack. It also has the added benefit of "cutting off the bashers at the pass." For example, if you can find out perhaps that an old filing really has nothing to do with the current state of affairs, you can pretty much "take the thunder" from a basher who wants to spam message boards with something say from 1997, which is really ancient history.

I've disagreed at times with some of rrm's TA or his picks, but I saw him as an honorable person who was freely giving his advice and not "luring" anyone into some type of P&D as the bashers have claimed. When I saw the extremely personal attacks and lies, I decided to stick my own neck out as I often do, both online and in real life. The support by PM is always appreciated but it's those, such as yourself, who are willing to step up to the "bullies," who can change things.

After all, if Rick is silenced, then perhaps I may be, because of threats and personal attacks that have no arguable relationship to an online post, then who is next? I know it's sometimes a trite argument, but the truth, throughout history is clear. If YOU don't stand up, nobody may be there for YOU when they come after YOU.

Further, I think I've pretty much, along with others, discredited the so-called "research department" upon which so many PLNI bashers seem to rely, rather than doing their own DD. In essence, they do what they claim "pumpers" and their followers are doing. Again, I find no fault with specific negative facts and opinion with respect to a stock. But going forward and attacking a poster and then threatening him because of one's own lack of logic or even perhaps inadequacies, does not make for a "research department."

This particular "research department" has announced that he is attacking companies because of a perceived relationship of those companies with me or with Rick or other of his perceived adversaries. The only "evidence" he has is that I (or others) have posted favorably on the companies. If posting favorably about a company is a reason for indictment, then many readers here need to be aware. The good thing about all this, I believe, is that as a result, anyone with even the slightest objectivity and anyone with an ounce of intellect and reasoning, will ignore this particular "research department." I'm convinced that others will see posts that rely on this "research department" and will use your post and mine and others' posts to show that the claimed research is nothing more than a "hatchet job," motivated by the individual's own personal embarrassment on message boards or by his own inadequacies or impotence. I post about 50 or even 100 stocks during a short time period. So, if he wants to attack the companies, in which I may invest, he's got a lot of work to do, and I'm just one poster. His credibility, I believe, can't go any lower. Even bashers will likely realize this and find more reliable sources in the course of their endeavors. As in real life, "bullies" often are all bluster, able to motivate others through fear and threats, typically unable to back it up when challenged and when the majority sticks it to him.

Given the way "blogs" have proliferated, I suspect that this will continue and we should all be aware. It doesn't take much for a "blogger" to set up a website. Even if he has no audience, he can plant his information through the use of "alias deception" as this blogger has tried to do, or through others who search for any information (perhaps not even knowing the source lacks objectivity or credibility) that will bolster his argument with respect to a particular stock.

After all, a "research department" that is motivated not by objectivity but by the need to "get back" at an individual for a perceived slight, clearly has lost any credibility he may think he has. I suspect that even the bashers, and I use that word lovingly, are re-assessing their reliance on someone whose only real asset perhaps is that he is a pitbull, able to bully until someone kicks him in the teeth with the truth.

Thanks again.



To: pqrs who wrote (3998)2/19/2006 9:50:11 AM
From: iwannaride0  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8122
 
Agree 100%
There is a fine line between message board bashers and pumpers. Each changes it colors with the quick change of an alias. There are maybe 6 or 7 posters that I know and trust.

It's when the "bashing" got personal, extremely prejudice and intentional malicious lies and innuendo became the norm against PLNI and their management that it became "criminal" in my mind. It's one thing to bring up old facts posting them as truth. It's quite another to make up lies and spread malicious rumor in an effort to purposely manipulate a pps one way or another.

Many I have spoken with have never seen an orchestrated attack on a company like they see happening to PLNI. Longs need to stay the course and support the company by providing facts to derail the criminals. I HOPE that when PLNI finally gets off the pinksheets that those who so voraciously attacked her, will have their day in court to defend their actions.

I will make it a point to be in the gallery to see those who tried to destroy her for personal and financial gain, get what they truly deserve.