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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (12769)	2/20/2006 8:30:42 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541572

I agree with your broader points on the Democratic leadership and the message, to a lesser extent. But the Dems took 48% of the popular vote in 2004, and outpoll the Republicans today by large margins. Seems to me they are connecting on a certain level. But they haven't formed the team and the program that can keep people's confidence through November and get them back on the road to winning elections more regularly like they did from 1960 onward, with five White House wins and control of Congress much of the period. We have seen people on the thread argue for moves to the right and to the left in the Democratic party. Given the lack of consensus among the major Democratic voices, it seems very possible they will end up just being schizo in 2006. That might be the catalyst for a clean sweep of the leadership before 2008.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (12769)	2/20/2006 9:04:59 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541572

The JFK election was extremely close, and JFK was hated by a good segment of the population because he was a Catholic, and hated by a lot more people because of his policies. On top of that he couldn't get his policies through because he didn't have a clear majority, or a "mandate" - as we would put it now. And we need another one of him? Add to this the fact that he sounded like a Neocon when it came to the cold war (Bay of Pigs- fits the Neocon idealization of transformation through violence), and I think I can assure you, we don't need more of him. Since he died young, and in the presidency, he's shrouded in a mantle we normally would give To An Athlete Dying Young. It doesn't have much to do with merit, and has a lot to do with America's obsession with youth, and wealth, and the mystique of Camelot.