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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E. T. who wrote (727155)	2/21/2006 3:10:05 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

crock of BS. The guilty parties were dealt with, but you mongoloid libbers cannot se past the end of Molly Ivens huge butt. Let's hear you say something about your good friends, the terrorists, ability to lop off the heads of innocent civilians.

To: E. T. who wrote (727155)	2/21/2006 3:10:41 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

ROTFLOL.. I read a lot of bloviating in your post. The supreme court rules on stuff. They vote and decide. Some say A is the law and often those who oppose A say you A guys are full of shit. Well they are more polite. So some "legal" experts were against some policy. They were heard and their arguments lost. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH may have picked a policy supported by the VP and the legal experts who also supported that policy. But all the rest of that article is throwing out loaded crap words for some political point, not a legal point. "Bush was warned" PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH heard many sides of an argument and decided. I wonder at what fools think PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH does not demand that he hear all sides of complex issues.

To: E. T. who wrote (727155)	2/21/2006 3:20:24 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 769670

Make sure you post a link to your source. Thanks.

To: E. T. who wrote (727155)	2/22/2006 2:10:35 PM
From: goldworldnet	Respond to of 769670

Top Pentagon lawyer warned of abuse of US detainees Mon Feb 20, 2:20 PM ET news.yahoo.com A top Pentagon lawyer warned the White House that its detainee policy would lead to the kind of abuse that eventually took place at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, according to a report in a magazine. Albert Mora, who until January was the US Navy's general counsel with the equivalent rank of a four-star general, told his superiors in late 2002 that a secret decision by Bush early in the year to circumvent the Geneva conventions against mistreatment of war prisoners would likely lead to criminal abuse of US detainees. According to the New Yorker magazine, Mora, often supported by other senior Pentagon legal officials, fought a quiet battle for years against the "unlawful" and "dangerous" legal justifications for White House-sanctioned detainee mistreatment. However, it said, he was blocked at top levels, especially by a group of lawyers aligned with Vice President Dick Cheney, the magazine said. He told the magazine that the US was "willing to throw away our values" to extract information from detainees, ultimately leading to the shocking revelations of photographs depicting detainee abuse and torture at Abu Ghraib, which became public in April 2004. Mora had also fought the handling of more than 500 US war on terror detainees at the US Navy prison in Guantanamo, Cuba, which he described in an early memo as "at a minimum cruel and unusual treatment, and, at worst, torture." Mora, whose parents both escaped from repressive communist regimes -- his mother from Hungary and his father from Cuba -- said such a background made it impossible to tolerate the Bush administration position. "My mother would have killed me if I hadn't spoken up. No Hungarian after Communism, or Cuban after Castro, is not aware that human rights are incompatible with cruelty," he told the magazine. Mora's fight to stop White House-sanctioned mistreatment of detainees was detailed in a July 7, 2004 memo which the New Yorker obtained. "In important ways, Moras memo is at odds with the official White House narrative. In 2002, President Bush declared that detainees should be treated 'humanely, and to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles' of the Geneva conventions," the New Yoker wrote. "Mora's memo, however, shows that almost from the start of the administration's war on terror the White House, the Justice Department, and the Department of Defense, intent upon having greater flexibility, charted a legally questionable course despite sustained objections from some of its own lawyers." Mora said he was puzzled and saddened by the White House's approach. "It seemed odd to me that the actors weren't more troubled by what they were doing," Mora told the magazine. "I wondered if they were even familiar with the Nuremberg trials -- or with the laws of war, or with the Geneva conventions. They cut many of the experts on those areas out. "When you put together the pieces, it's all so sad. To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values," Mora said. * * *