To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (10159 ) 2/21/2006 7:21:53 PM From: sea_urchin Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250 Crimson > I am a firm believer that the holocaust was a real horrendous atrocity No doubt about that. > I could not disagree more with holocaust deniers. These people are apparently in possession of facts that are not generally known. As I begin to see them, they are not kooks but they have come upon something which they were not supposed to know and which, in fact, is taboo to speak about. It is the latter aspect which is giving rise to the widespread interest in them and not their so-called denial. > These folks would be more on target if they focused their talents not on holocaust denial, but on the Zionist use of the holocaust to blackmail people into silence re: Israel's record of brutal militarism, colonialism, mass murder, political assassinations, and aggression. I can't speak for them, in fact, I have only recently started to read about them. Apparently, they have been busy "denying" for many years but most people, including me, knew nothing about them. > That said I am shocked by the trial and imprisonment of holocaust deniers. This, in fact, is why they have assumed such prominence recently especially after the statement of Ahmadinejad that the Holocaust didn't happen and also the protestation in Western media that the Mohammed cartoons were OK because they were considered to be "protected speech". > This is another ominous sign that our freedoms are fast eroding in the West -- and not just in George Bush's America. Without any doubt -- and we can be worried -- especially by the double standard. > Will people next be placed on trial for criticizing Israel, Zionist media and financial power, or the "war on terror" ? I don't see why not? But first, discussing those things has to be criminalized. Apropos the recent trial and sentencing of Irving, the well-known "denier", I thought this was a very powerful piece which compared his sentencing to those which took place in earlier times. Clearly, some people feel very strongly about it. He has even been compared to a modern-day Galileo.rense.com >>Irving will emerge from this ordeal like Thomas Cranmer, who at first dissembled and recanted his views in Marian England, hoping for a reprieve, and then recovered at the place of execution, thrusting the offending hand which had signed his recantation into the flames with the words, "'This hand hath offended." Cranmer is today remembered as a Protestant martyr, not as a temporizer. Orwellian dictatorship is being built not only by Bush and Cheney in the wake of 9/11, but by the corpus of the West's reporters, editors, professors and pontiffs who can find no cause for vigorous protest in the jailing of Irving, a man who fights only with words. The English Protestants killed Campion. The French and Swiss Calvinists killed Servetus. Lutheran Germans killed the Anabaptists and the Catholics sought to kill Luther. They all died--or in Luther's case, would have died-- for their words. Today we look on those persecutions with shock, wondering how they could have ever done such a thing in the name of God? But make no mistake: Irving too is being persecuted for the sake of God, or rather for Judaism's strange gods. But the puppies and poodles who pass for journalists and professors; and the preachers and ministers who pass for evangelists of the Word, dare not do more than pip and squeak. This has been the way of things for decades. Rot, decay and slow death. But suddenly Islam arrived in Europe, with its Biblical impatience for the injustice with which we have made accommodation. We sleep well whether Irving, Rudolf or Zündel are in jail cells or not. We earnestly wish it were otherwise. We read, pray and talk about it. We sigh and shrug our shoulders with regard to it. And then a lion roars. A sword glints in the sun. A banner unfurls a field of green. Europe and America, your measure is discovered in the jail cells of these three men! You presume to pass sentence on them or to acquiesce in the sentence. But a sentence in turn is pronounced upon you: Tekel. You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. The execution you prepared for others, awaits you. Bare your neck to Darius the Mede and Cyrus the Persian! <<