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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (182259)	2/21/2006 8:31:46 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Thanks. As with danish cartoons i have mixed emotions. Freedom of speech is a deeply held conviction but i understand how the holocaust could hold a special place in the countries where the violence occurred. In the US Irving doesnt go to jail--he just has scorn heaped upon him until he falls from the weight of it all. Sometimes folks like david duke try to do and end run but they are found out.

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (182259)	2/21/2006 9:00:11 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 281500

<The following countries have laws against Holocaust denial: Belgium, France, Israel, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Germany, Austria> What a joke. Heresy trials are back in fashion. We have to believe, or not say we don't, even though we might not have any evidence. I have heard rumours that there were gas chambers, but I don't definitely know and I know that Big Lies are very popular among governments [and others]. How come there were any people in Auschwitz and elsewhere if they were extermination camps? They wouldn't even need to unload the trains. Just leave the doors shut and kill them there, then deliver them to a big valley somewhere to empty out the bodies. Build the railway line direct to the valley. Why bother with a bunch of buildings, guards and stuff? They were obviously concentration camps to keep undesirables [like Guantanamo, and other prison camps]. In those days, everyone was short of food and essentials to life, so people were getting sick or there was not enough for everyone. So they probably gassed some to solve the problem. Who says Irving said they never existed? It would be easy to find somebody to bear false witness for a nasty man like that. I thought he claimed only that the truth was greatly exaggerated. Which seems likely. What's richly ironical is that those countries are traditional repressive places which is why Nazis got going in the first place. This is just another manifestation of their intrinsic natures - crush dissent, differing opinion and anyone who steps out of line. They are in good company and you could almost say it's human nature. I suppose I could have a click around Google to see if I can spot convincing evidence. Even if true and David Irving is wrong, it's dopey to make it illegal to have a different opinion and tell people so. What can you expect from Nazis and fellow travellers? Here's a link. auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl <The majority of the Jewish men, women and children deported to Auschwitz were sent to their deaths in the Birkenau gas chambers immediately after arrival. At the end of the war, in an effort to remove the traces of the crimes they had committed, the SS began dismantling and razing the gas chambers, crematoria, and other buildings, as well as burning documents.> That seems enthusiastic, to go to the trouble of getting rid of the place in the midst of running for it. I have visited Dachau camp and the Holocaust Museum in Washington. I asked the guard at the Holocaust Museum how come they didn't have women's names on any of the identification documents they handed out. I forget the reason. Maybe they have them now. I think somebody in SI told me that they do now. Mqurice