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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Scoobah who wrote (13025)2/23/2006 1:52:26 PM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32591
 
If you really believe that any country that does not take care of her Jewish residents will eventually be "erased" from history, then those Moslem countries that are sworn enemies of Israel should "self-destruct". Not? If you really believe that, why fight. Just sit tight and wait, right?

I think it's a far-fetched idea to suggest the Moslems "created" the holocaust to conquer Europe. Convince me of that long-range plan of the Moslems if you can.

BTW, in its early days, Islam was helpful to the Jews in certain ways. Anyone interested can get a crash course in Jewish History and the Rise of Islam from

aish.com

Those people whose hatred against Moslems in general sprang mainly from 9/11 and from disinformation and propaganda spewed forth by a compliant media will do well to go through the crash course: they will become wiser people, not wise guys.

As Richnorth sees it (and I stand to be corrected), the conflict between the west and Islam began from the time of Islam conquests of parts of Eastern Europe and of southern Spain (via North Africa). Later this east-west conflict was kept alive by the nine Crusades (1095 - 1271) which, however, failed and so Islam remained in its ascendancy until the Moslems'defeat at the naval Battle of Lepanto in 1571. From that time on, Islamic influence in the west went on a steady decline. By this time Europe was already into her Renaissance by about 70 years and since then she has never looked back.

However, the east-west conflict continued with the Ottoman Empire during which Hungary and a few other Eastern European countries were under Ottoman suzerainty. The Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1920 after which the British carved up the Middle East for themselves and exploited the oil wealth of the Arabs for their own benefit. By their rough and cruel treatment of the Arabs as inconsequential subhumans, the colonial masters aroused a lot of resentment and indignation and hatred against themselves.

Then the Zionists, struck by nostalgia to return to the place where their forebears were a long time ago and to call it home, created Israel, with the help of the US and Britain and France, out of some pieces of Palestine. Needless to say, the creation of Israel at the expense of the Arabs, has been responsible for all the unrest in the Middle East we have been seeing today. Israel is seen by the Arabs as a land-robber (until lately, that is) and as an oppressor, and the US as a supporter of Israel whilst exploiting and profiting from the oil wealth of the Arabs.

This east-west conflict rages on with seemingly no end in sight. Will you be so good as to tell me how the conflict could be resolved? With the dismantling of Israel, perhaps?

Now, concerning your suggestion that the Arabs had planned the holocaust in order to conquer Europe, tell me when and how the Arabs planned all that.

From what I read, the Jews during their Diaspora, were initially welcomed in foreign lands. But, as time went on, their set ways and seemingly peculiar practices and insular behaviour antagonized their host people to the point the Jews were eventually treated like pariahs. Prior to and during WWII there was a high concentration of Jews in Nazi Germany. A good number of these Jews were highly talented and successful people and some of them organized Jewish protest groups to assert their rights. However, they were arrested and sent off to concentration camps. What happened to the Jews there is history, albeit moot history to some people.

At this time, the Moslems in the Middle East were under the colonial yoke. How could they have planned the holocaust in order to conquer Europe is as clear as mud to me. Maybe you would good enough to shed some light?
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To: Scoobah who wrote (13025)2/23/2006 7:14:02 PM
From: lorne  Respond to of 32591
 
steve....."This is why France will ultimately degrade whats left of itself: Any civilized country that turns on its Jews, is erased from history; which raises the qiestion, "did the muslims create the holocaust to conquer europe?"".....

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection.
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..........Left: A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini reviewing Bosnian-Muslim troops - a unit of the "Hanjar (Saber) Division" of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler..........


The Führer's Mufti: After World War I, the Great Powers of Europe jockeyed for influence in the Middle East's oil fields and trade routes, with France and Britain holding mandates throughout most of the region. In the 1930s, the fascist regimes that arose in Italy and Germany sought greater stakes in the area, and began courting Arab leaders to revolt against their British and French custodians. Among their many willing accomplices was Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini, who fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. He found refuge in Iraq – another of Her Majesty's mandates – where he again topped the British most wanted list after helping pull the strings behind the Iraqi coup of 1941. The revolt in Baghdad was orchestrated by Hitler as part of a strategy to squeeze the region between the pincers of Rommel's troops in North Africa, German forces in the Caucuses and pro-Nazi forces in Iraq. However, in June 1941 British troops put down the rebellion and the Mufti escaped via Tehran to Italy and eventually to Berlin.

Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the "Islamische Zentralinstitut" and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the "Führer of the Arabic world." In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the "most fierce enemies of the Muslims" and an "ever corruptive element" in the world. Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

To show gratitude towards his hosts, in 1943 the Mufti travelled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaugh-tered 90% of Bosnia's Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.

The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be liquidated. After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received. The Mufti used funds received earlier from the Hilter regime to finance the Nazi-inspired Arab Liberation Army that terrorized Jews in Palestine.

The Arab Embrace of Nazism: Husseini represents the prevalent pro-Nazi posture among the Arab/Muslim world before, during and even after the Holocaust. The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa'ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS – which still receives its orders from Damascus – was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel.

The most influential party that emulated the Nazis was "Young Egypt," which was founded in October 1933. They had storm troopers, torch processions, and literal translations of Nazi slogans – like "One folk, One party, One leader." Nazi anti-Semitism was replicated, with calls to boycott Jewish businesses and physical attacks on Jews. Britain had a bitter experience with this pro-German mood in Egypt, when the official Egyptian government failed to declare war on the Wehrmacht as German troops were about to conquer Alexandria.

After the war, a member of Young Egypt named Gamal Abdul Nasser was among the officers who led the July 1952 revolution in Egypt. Their first act – following in Hitler's footsteps – was to outlaw all other parties. Nasser's Egypt became a safe haven for Nazi war criminals, among them the SS General in charge of the murder of Ukrainian Jewry; he became Nasser's bodyguard and close comrade. Alois Brunner, another senior Nazi war criminal, found shelter in Damascus, where he served for many years as senior adviser to the Syrian general staff and still resides today.

Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba'ath Party, recalls: "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books... We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism."

These leanings never completely ceased. Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.

The PLO and notably Arafat himself do not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO's top figure in east Jerusalem today, Faisal Husseini, is the grandson to the Führer's Mufti. Arafat also considers the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat."

Writers: Paul Longgrear, Raymond McNemar