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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: philv who wrote (10185)	2/23/2006 6:17:49 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Respond to of 22250

Divide and rule has been the favored imperial tactic for centuries. The deep divisions between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq was undoubtedly a key reason for the US thinking it could win an easy victory there.

To: philv who wrote (10185)	2/23/2006 7:22:53 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Phil > Can you offer any proof at all to the above statement? How can anyone offer "proof"? One views the event the way one sees it. As I see it, much as the Shiites and Sunnis don't like each other, they would never destroy a mosque or desecrate their religion. If anything, they hold their religion more precious than anything else. Therefore it is axiomatic that the destruction of a Muslim place of worship could only have been carried out by a non-Muslim, indeed, someone who cares nothing for the Muslims or their religion. Even better, someone who hates them. > I thought the US and the Zionists were in bed. Not every American thinks so. mediamonitors.net > I certainly cannot see that a fractured Iraq, on the verge of civil war is of any benefit to Israel or to the United States The US has no stated long-term policy for Iraq other than "democracy", whatever that means, and regime change, whatever that means. Israel, on the other hand, has a very close relationship with the Kurds and would like nothing more than a separate Kurdistan re-established once again. The Kurds are historic allies, possibly even relatives, of the Jews. And, of course, they have a lot of oil. washingtontimes.com >>"Establishing relations between the Kurds and Israel is not a crime since many Arab countries have ties with the Jewish state," Barzani said in an interview with the Saudi daily al-Hayat. He said when the time comes and an Israeli Embassy is opened in Baghdad he will ask that an Israeli consulate be also established in Erbil, the capital of Iraq's Kurdistan.<< pinr.com >>A maelstrom of controversy erupted in June 2004 over reports that Israel has been in league with Kurdish groups in northern Iraq and training Kurdish militias, reports that the Israeli leadership has repeatedly denied. If the recent reports are accurate, the Israeli government may be nurturing relations with the Kurds in order to pursue its geopolitical security interests and counter a number of potential threats to its regional power.<< Israel's interest in Iraq differs from that of the US, in fact, it's diametrically opposed to it. But it's also obvious that Israel's interest is covert and clearly it would not do anything to openly antagonise the US.

To: philv who wrote (10185)	2/24/2006 3:41:56 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 22250

Re: ...but I thought the US and the Zionists were in bed. If that is the case, how does that benefit the U.S.? The West-Bankization of Iraq benefits the US in its overall scheme to contain Iran... As I noted previously, Iraqi Shiites are Arab shiites, not Persian/Farsi Shiites. Likewise, Québecois are French-speaking Catholics, not English-speaking ones, so, why would they feel that a common cause binds them with US Catholics? Hence carving out an independent Shiite Arab province around Basra may prove a masterstroke as it would kill two birds with one stone: it would isolate and landlock the so-called Sunni triangle and provide the US with a Shiite puppet-state whose survival will depend on US military troops.... Clue: Message 18781366

To: philv who wrote (10185)	2/24/2006 5:11:50 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: "Does anybody here doubt that Zionist and/or US intelligence services were responsible for the Shiite mosque bombing that triggered a wave of Shiite attacks on Sunni mosques in Iraq today." Can you offer any proof at all to the above statement? I can: The blast in Samarra Two of the 12 Shi'ite imams - Imam Ali al-Hadi, who died in AD 868, and his son, Imam Hasan al-Askari, who died in 874 - are buried at the mosque. The complex also contains the shrine of the 12th imam, Mohammed al-Mahdi, who is said to have gone into hiding through a cellar in the complex in 878, and is expected to return on Judgment Day. Nevertheless, the sanctity of the tombs is of equal importance to Sunnis. Like the tombs of the Prophet Mohammed, Imam Ali and Imam Hussain, no self-respecting Muslim, whether Shi'ite or Sunni, would ever think of attacking such a place. Further, the custodians of the shrine in Samarra have for many centuries been the descendants of Imam Naqi, called Naqvis, and they believe in Sunni Islam, as does the vast majority of the population of Samarra. The present custodian is Syed Riyadh al-Kilidar, whom this correspondent met before the US attacked Iraq. Riyadh was arrested by US troops after Iraq was invaded, but released after brief detention. The same is true of the Mosa Kazim Shrine in Baghdad, where the custodians have for many centuries been descendents of Imam Mosa Kazim. They are called Mosavis, and are Sunni Muslim. The previous custodian was Sayed Sabah bin Ibrahim al-Mosavi, whom this correspondent also met before the US invasion. He was a member of the Iraqi parliament during Saddam Hussein's era. After the US invasion he moved to Pakistan. Now the shrine is managed by Najaf Ashraf (al-Hoza). [...] atimes.com