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To: carranza2 who wrote (159516)	2/28/2006 10:57:43 PM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 793917

Better to laugh at them, in my opinion Yep. Let them make fools of themselves. Jailing them only feeds the conspiracy fruits. Derek

To: carranza2 who wrote (159516)	3/1/2006 1:50:03 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793917

In the legions of false beliefs, thinking and saying that the Holocaust was exaggerated, with a nice, round 6 million figure, whereas it was really only 3,141,593 is so trivial as to be absurd to get worked up about and certainly not worth gaoling somebody over. I would prefer to gaol everyone who says they believe in various superstitions, such as astrology, Islam, Christianity [in the supernatural sense], reincarnation, plus, water divining, magnets under the mattress for health, and all sorts of absurd ideas, all of which are obviously false as there is no evidence for any of them and they conflict with reality in all sorts of ways. I actually think that there probably was some exaggeration in the numbers killed. A decent genealogical study should show pretty well how many were killed as there would still be lots of birth certificates and all sorts of genetic evidence in existing people. I don't think it matters and I wouldn't want to contribute to the research as it seems rather pointless to figure out whether it was 200,000 or 2,000,000 or 20,000,000. Whichever it was, the horror was horrific. I'm surprised somebody hasn't got a list of the actual names of all those killed, like the Vietnam monument in Washington lists everyone killed. I'm sure there are some dead missing from the monument, and some there who were missing, presumed dead, but were really hiding in the hills with their beloved Vietnamese girl. The Holocaust Museum in Washington which I visited had a lot of names, but the people handing out the papers for each person killed, with their names on them, couldn't tell me why there were no women in all the ones I had a look through. Maybe somebody answered that for me once upon a time, but I don't remember the answer. Where were the women? Why didn't they rate a little book to carry around the museum? I'd have thought the first thing such a museum would list would be the names of all those Jews killed, even if it was 4 million. Databases these days can easily handle so many names. I can understand if all the other victims are ignored as the Holocaust Museum was more about the German, French, Polish and other Jewish genocide rather than the fact of the work camps and the horror that went along with them. There is a tendency these days to say it was the Nazis what done it, to separate lovely Germans from their wicked rulers. No it wasn't. Lots of French people helped ship them to their deaths. So did lots of ordinary Germans. It was a popular idea. Adolf had the backing of a LOT of Germans. Not just Nazis. The lesson from it is not to look out for Nazis and Holocaust deniers, but those who would suppress people, confiscate their property and head off down that trail again. Well, blow me down if the Austrians aren't heading off down their old ideology. Suppression of individuals who dare to express an opinion at odds with the accepted wisdom. Meanwhile, they whine about Moslems wanting to do the same. Hypocrites. They should be stoned to death. Or put in a gas chamber. Or, maybe those gaoling Irving are not the same ones who object to Islamic suppression of freedom of thought and expression. I'm less inclined to laugh at the "denier" who as far as I could tell disagreed with the extent and context rather than the actuality of what was happening. Even if he disagreed with the whole thing, that's fair enough. To me, everything is not true until it is observed by me or I accept that somebody I can rely on is probably right. That has a pretty good basis in physics in that any wave function is possible until an observer observes. That seems to me to be how most things are in the human context too. I'm too long in the tooth to believe any old thing which I'm told is unarguably true. As a customer's sign said once, "In God we trust, all others must have data". As they say, "Seeing is believing". If the WMDs claims were disbelieved until data was established, [an opinion isn't data, data is photographs or other objective information which third parties can check for themselves], then a lot of Americans might be alive now, unwounded and financially better off. Mqurice