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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (45819)	3/2/2006 3:57:33 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 90947

BTW, if being a Repub meansyou have to be Religious Right, then I cannot be a Repub. Don't think I said that. And I don't believe the "religious right" is controlling anything. I DO believe that the left THINKS that, just because the President does not have a problem in proclaiming his faith in the public eye. I think it is both funny AND sad that people claiming to be Americans are afraid of Godly people. BTW, remember the ONLY time Bubba was seen carryig a bible and looking pious? Wasn't it walking across the White House lawn with jesse jackson in tow....right after having to admit hid fling with Monica? Maybe you need to go back to 1973 and earlier and you'll see WHY Roe v, Wade was decided the way it is. This isn't a black and white choice. Women used to die because of the unavailibility of legal, safe abortions in this country Laz, sorry to see you have bought into the LIES of the abortion industry too. Roe/v/Wade was the sorriest legal decision ever made. One of the original proponents of the whole mess...Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of the National Abortion Rights Action League, admits his group lied about the number of women who died from illegal abortions when testifying before the Supreme Court in 1972. "We spoke of 5,000 - 10,000 deaths a year.... I confess that I knew the figures were totally false ... it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?" .... said he used to laugh about the lies and buzzwords that they came up with to get these fanatic proabortionists on the warpath. AND in actuality, there were not the huge numbers of "back alley" abortions and when Roe v Wade is overturned, there will NOT be a bunch of back alley abortions. Family News in Focus May 10, 2000 Poland Wipes out Abortion by Lara McGovern, staff writer When it comes to curbing abortions, Poland stands as a world leader. Many politicians and judges have long been reluctant to outlaw abortion because it might result in illegal, back-alley abortions. But one country has proven that fear is groundless. For 44 years, Poland was dominated by Russia and abortion was not only legal, it was paid for by the government. Then in 1993, after the Iron Curtain fell, the Polish parliament severely restricted abortion. "Abortions declined precipitously so that this past year, they only had 250 abortions. So the abortion rate went from 160,000 to 250," said Dr. Jack Willke, of the Life Issues Institute. Willke, who has spent time in Poland, said pro-abortion groups argue that without legal abortion, women would have illegal, partial abortions and then go to hospitals to finish the so-called "miscarriage." "Right now, what do we see? There are fewer gynecologic admissions to Polish hospitals today than there were when abortion was legal," Willke said. "There are fewer women dying of gynecologic problems." Lek Koleski, a Polish member of the board of directors of the International Right to Life Committee, said abortion restrictions have helped educate women. "One year we had abortion on demand again, and only 1,200 women wanted abortions on demand that year," Koleski said. "That means that the previous years had educated people not to use this way of reducing the number of your children." His conclusion: The law tends to influence opinions. Poland's experience also shows that fewer women died as a result of pregnancy and childbirth, neonatal births declined and induced abortions performed to save the life and health of the mother also became more rare after abortion laws were passed. A reasoned calm argument will accomplish far more. tell it to the children that have undergone this procedure, you think this was reaonable?: Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse from Dayton, Ohio, assisted Dr. Haskell in a Partial Birth Abortion on a 26-1/2 week (over 6 months) pre-born baby boy. She testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee (on 11/17/95) about what she witnessed. According to nurse Shafer, the baby was alive and moving as the abortionist “delivered the baby’s body and arms - everything but the head. The doctor kept the baby’s head just inside the uterus. The baby’s little fingers were clasping and unclasping, his feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors through the back of his head, and the baby’s arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks he might fall. The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby was completely limp.”

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (45819)	3/7/2006 5:47:43 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 90947

I would have left this finished except for his PM to me. In spite that Prolife declared he was done with the topic--apparently, he was not. Prolife continued his vile allegations that I was a Nazi. He PM’d me to tell me my Nazi flag was hanging in my basement. (God, these fanatics come up with some brilliant lines-LOL!). He then declared that people who had had abortions were “no different” than those whom murdered people in the Nazi death camps. I am one of the four out of five Canadians who believe that a woman (like a man) has a right to her life. I don’t know the percentage on the U.S. side but there is certainly no link between us and those people responsible for Nazi atrocities. The allegations are grotesque , repugnant, and defamatory. Not only do they revile us, but, by asserting “no difference” between murderers and those of us whom are law abiding and decent citizens--he/she insults the memory of Holocaust victims and survivors and makes light of their murderers and oppressors. I have just responded to him, to wit: “Prolife, I am not prepared to tolerate such vile and defamatory allegations. You have made them now both publicly and privately. If you continue such monstrous allegations of complicity with and sympathy for the Nazi death camps, then I will ask SI to suspend you permanently from posting.” Now, many people on SI have either had an abortion, or their daughter or their niece--or someone in their circle has had an abortion. If Prolife truly believed that removing a fertilized egg (or a fetus if past the egg stage) was an act of murder, then he or she would have to acknowledge that the PENALTIES for murder should be enacted against these people. In other words, in many states he is advocating the death penalty for our wives, daughters, nieces, and grandchildren. As he has called me a murderer simply for believing that women have the right to life--one may conclude that his net of insanity stretches far beyond the actual people whom exercise their right not to be forced to bear children. I am gratified for one thing. He “apologized” for calling me a moron. I am (he said) worse than that. He said I was a “lost soul” and he felt “sorry” for me? (Gee??) Apparently, being a “lost soul” is “worse” than being a moron! Oh, how are the mighty fallen… I guess I will become as one of those millions of fertilized eggs that are spontaneously aborted every day of the year. At least, he/she feels sorry for me as a “lost soul”! Damn bully of him/her! Does anyone know the answer to why fanatics invariably consider that “you are a Jew murdering Nazi” is a valid argument...in support of whatever fanatical path they have crawled down??

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (45819)	3/7/2006 6:51:25 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 90947

"You don't need to throw rocks and insults at Solon." Are you confusing basic needs with a purpose driven life? After all we don't say, "the man climbed the mountain because he needed to breath the thin air at the top," now do we? No, we don't.