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To: Suma who wrote (13881)	3/5/2006 10:34:02 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

I must admit, I got mad at her for the baking cookies quip, and never forgave her (although I certainly don't hate her), but I also think the fact that she is a woman makes people fixate on her aggressiveness - and I don't know how much of the hate is due to the fact that she's a woman. Most people would deny they don't like her just because she is a powerful woman (most people aren't courageous enough to be honest in public about their prejudices)- so I think it would be hard to tell just how much of it is because she was a woman. You can see, if you look at powerful women- Reno, Hillary, Rice- that the abuse levelled at them with regard to their looks, their sexuality, and their relationship to men around them (usually sexualized), is of a different character than the abuse levelled at men. It's one reason I think this country is nowhere near ready to elect a female president.

To: Suma who wrote (13881)	3/5/2006 10:44:57 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

She has that "feminist attitude" that a lot of men have difficult with.. There is that, but I think it is a bit more subtle than the way your frame it because, believe it or not, I think most men are past that attitude. It is a feeling that perhaps Hillary has not moved past the success women have had in establishing themselves in the marketplace as lawyers, doctors, supreme court justices, senators, etc. I doubt that many men would be opposed to a female president simply on the basis of gender. The conundrum, of course, is that any woman who is a potential candidate will have been a strong feminist and therefore a natural ally of the left, a fact which will make it very difficult in the near term for such a candidate to succeed. This will change as the pioneer feminists fade away and their less embattled successors take over. The initial feminist era is over; the resistance to women in all aspects of life no longer exists in any meaningful sense. But Hillary projects an aura that she is still at the barricades. Such an attitude is not consistent with current reality, and it undoubtedly troubles some men. It should also trouble some women.