To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (278642 ) 3/8/2006 1:22:14 AM From: tejek Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571964 Ted, Fundamentalist Muslims are much the same as fundamentalist Christians. That's where you're wrong. Christians for the most part have already gone beyond the Crusades. Muslims still haven't, at least those living in the Middle East. And the Christians have? Hmmmm.......what do you call a crusade? What is so different about the invasion of Iraq from a crusade? Did you forget that Delay went to Israel and told the Israelis we would stand behind them in the face of a Muslim attack? And you forget, the violence we condemn in the ME only ended in the West with the fall of Hitler.By all standards of the modern world—economic development, literacy, scientific achievement—Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom Its really unfortunate........the Muslim empire fell on hard times in the late 18th century just as the Western world started its ascendancy. The Muslim empire was steeped in corruption and low level anarchy. As western nations struggled with democracy, the Muslim world fell into chaos. Just as conditions were starting to stabilize and improve in the Arab nations, the West was ramping up its quest to acquire additional colonies. By the twentieth century, most of the Arab world had been colonized and the Ottoman Empire had collapsed. While the West continued to make uneven progress, the Muslims were under the yoke of the West and were allowed little progress. The only country that never fell under the control of the West at all is the only country that has a working democracy, and that would be Turkey. I wonder if there is a connection.In the course of the twentieth century it became abundantly clear that things had gone badly wrong in the Middle East—and, indeed, in all the lands of Islam. Compared with Christendom, its rival for more than a millennium, the world of Islam had become poor, weak, and ignorant. The primacy and therefore the dominance of the West was clear for all to see, invading every aspect of the Muslim's public and even—more painfully—his private life. Mainly because the West controlled the Arab nations.Muslim modernizers—by reform or revolution—concentrated their efforts in three main areas: military, economic, and political. The results achieved were, to say the least, disappointing. A rather patronizing comment.......considering the West did not relinquish most of its control over the ME until the 1970s, I am not sure what the author is saying. BTW most Western departures from Arab countries was done under a great deal of stress and violence.