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To: Petz who wrote (189099)	3/8/2006 5:54:16 PM
From: eracer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Re: Tom developed his own UT2004 benchmark because some graphics card manufacturers were caught cheating on the standard benchmarks. He developed it before either FX-60 or (for sure!) Conroe existed, so how could it be biased? I'm not attacking the THG demo credibility, I'm attacking Rahul's credibility for implying it is valid to compare the THG demo to whatever demo was on the Intel system. It's not a matter of bias or the THG demo being "wrong". Most likely the performance difference is between the two UT2K4 demos are not the same. You can make UT2K4 slow to a crawl or run quite fast depending on what maps, environments, effects, or numbers of characters and objects you want to include in a custom timedemo. If the Conroe was tested with the THG demo it might well run at 250-300MHz.

To: Petz who wrote (189099)	3/8/2006 6:48:22 PM
From: Petz	Respond to of 275872

duplicate

To: Petz who wrote (189099)	3/8/2006 7:00:47 PM
From: j3pflynn	Respond to of 275872

Petz - I have to agree that eracer has a point here. The THG demo may not be biased, but it's not the same thing Intel ran, or any other sites for that matter. Until we can get some controlled apples-to-apples comparison benchmarks, I consider it an open question. But it's very hard to argue against the fact that Conroe is impressive, and AMD has their work cut out for them. They better have been doing it! With Tom's Hardware's love for the limelight, I'm frankly surprised they haven't wrangled a test already, running their demo on both. :P