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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (279893)	3/13/2006 2:29:09 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572171

A wire coat hanger, bent into a womb-scraping loop is a very logical DIY method of performing an abortion. Cut a 2x4 to width to hold the knees apart, rent a motel room, put the other end into a portable power drill, and you're an entrepreneur! It's not an anti-abortion movement - it's a JOBS movement!

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (279893)	3/13/2006 2:38:01 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1572171

"The point is that the "coat hanger" is their way of scaring people into making abortion available to everyone at anytime with no "consequences" except maybe a guilty conscience." No it is not. Before Roe vs. Wade, the choices were Europe if you were rich, one of the states where it is legal or Mexico if you were middle class, or a coat hanger if you were poor, if the decision was the woman couldn't have a baby at that time. Heck, the coat hanger is still a choice in places where it is legal because public money can't be used to pay for them. If the woman starts to bleed out, then it is off to the emergency room... When I worked at UTMB, I had a friend who was a social worker. The above scenario about the coat hanger and the emergency room was a common story. She told me about one girl who was 17 and pregnant. She was so happy, that was her fourth pregnancy and her mother had allowed her to keep that one. The previous ones were "eliminated" via home methods, followed by a trip to the emergency room. Desperate women will have abortions. This has been true for thousands of years. It was true before they were illegal in this country, and it was true after they were legalized. And it certainly is true when restricted. The question is, do you try to deal with the reality, or pretend that it doesn't happen?

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (279893)	3/14/2006 5:48:46 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572171

The point is that the "coat hanger" is their way of scaring people into making abortion available to everyone at anytime with no "consequences" except maybe a guilty conscience. Its interesting how you diminish the role of the abortion tool/coat hanger by calling it a scare tactic. Unlike the threat of terrorism, coat hanger abortions were an everyday occurrence before Roe vs Wade. And if they were not available, a dirty knife or a quick kick to a woman's stomach sufficed. The abortion horror stories and the numerous unwanted babies that existed before Roe vs Wade were all too real. Many a young girl paid a dear price for her sexuality. But the conservative types would have us go back to those miserable days by not only banning abortions but stopping the use of contraceptives as well. Why? ted