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To: Road Walker who wrote (280079)	3/14/2006 11:07:44 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576361

You mean liberal city like Seatlle, not progressive

To: Road Walker who wrote (280079)	3/14/2006 11:22:38 AM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576361

"This correlation between secularism, individualism and low fertility portends a vast change in modern societies." I saw this article before. In some respects it strikes me as just a variant on "The Marching Morons", a great short story by CM Kornbluth. It extrapolated the tendency of less educated people to have more children than the more educated into a static society where the typical person just sort of bumbled through a life stuffed with flashy geegaws and driven solely by mindless consumerism. Hmm, come to think of it, he might not have gotten it wrong... The story is set hundreds of years in the future: the date is 7-B-936. A man from the past, John Barlow, is reanimated in this future. The world seems mad to Barlow until Tinny-Peete explains The Problem of Population: due to a combination of intelligent people prudently not having children and excessive breeding by lesser intelligent people, the world is full of morons with the exception of an elite few who work slavishly to keep order. Barlow, who was a shrewd conman in his day, has a solution to sell to the elite. en.wikipedia.org Personally, I think there are too many factors that go into a whether or not patriarchy is due for a comeback to declare that is the future. If the squeeze on the middle class continues and the gap between the wealthy and everyone else increases, then the answer is 'yes'. But that would be true regardless of who has the most kids.

To: Road Walker who wrote (280079)	3/14/2006 12:31:07 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 1576361

How could they miss the fact that higher intelligence and education ALSO correlate directly with smaller family sizes? The logical conclusion to this trend was predicted ages ago in the short story, "The Marching Morons" en.wikipedia.org If I recall the story correctly, it even postulated a Bush-like leader (of the morons)!

To: Road Walker who wrote (280079)	3/15/2006 1:35:29 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576361

What's the difference between Seattle and Salt Lake City? There are many differences, of course, but here's one you might not know. In Seattle, there are nearly 45% more dogs than children. In Salt Lake City, there are nearly 19% more kids than dogs. I have worried about this as well. About half my friends don't have kids. It seems like there are a lot of kids in Seattle, but we are having to close schools even as the population grows fairly fast. Meanwhile, in Utah, they are building new ones. Meanwhile most of my German friends are not even married.....let alone have kids. The conservatives will win by default?! ted

To: Road Walker who wrote (280079)	3/15/2006 1:41:37 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576361

This is a scary one! British drug trial goes wrong From: Reuters From correspondents in London March 16, 2006 TWO men were critically ill in a British hospital today and four others serious in intensive care after suffering violent reactions to a new drug they took as part of a clinical trial. Police said they were working with the country's medicines watchdog to establish the circumstances. The American company running the trial said they had operated within industry guidelines but a girlfriend of one of the volunteers said she had been told to pray for a miracle. She said her boyfriend was swollen beyond recognition. The drug, known as TGN 1412, was being developed for a German company to treat chronic inflammatory conditions and leukaemia. A spokeswoman for the Northwick Park Hospital in London where they were being treated said they were doing all they could to help the men. Advertisement: Myfanwy Marshal, whose boyfriend took part in the trial, said she had been told her partner could die at any time. "They just all went down like flies, all six of them," she told the BBC. "The (doctors) can't give us a cure, they're talking to experts. The doctors were on the phone to experts all night (asking) what they can do. "They've said to us 'we're in the dark, we don't know what to do. We don't know this drug'." She said her partner looked like the Elephant Man and all his internal organs had failed. Another man's head and neck had swollen to three times normal size, the Sun newspaper quoted a friend as saying. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said eight healthy men took part in the trial, two of whom were given a placebo. The six who took the real drug all fell ill. "We will now undertake an exhaustive investigation to determine the cause and ensure all appropriate actions are taken," MHRA's Professor Kent Woods said in a statement. A police spokeswoman said they were liaising with the watchdog to see how the investigation developed. Richard Ley, spokesman for the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI), said he had never heard of anything like it before. "This is an absolutely exceptional occurrence. I cannot remember anything comparable." British media reported the men were paid £2000 ($4750) to take part. The trial was in the first phase, when healthy humans test the drug. It was set up by US drug research company Parexel International Corp on behalf of German pharmaceutical company TeGenero AG. Parexel said it had operated within regulatory guidelines and that such adverse reactions were extremely rare. "These events were completely unexpected and do not reflect the results we obtained from initial laboratory studies which enabled us to progress investigations into human volunteers," said Benedikte Hatz, Chief Executive Officer of TeGenero AG, in a statement. He said "tens of thousands of people, if not more" took part in clinical trials in Britain each year. As soon as the men fell ill, the MHRA suspended the trial and notified other European regulatory bodies about it. New Zealand's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said one its citizens was among the four in serious condition. Drug trials are popular among young people on working holidays in the United Kingdom as a means of raising money for travel. news.com.au

To: Road Walker who wrote (280079)	3/15/2006 11:07:25 PM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1576361

John, from your article: "a segment of society in which single-child families are the norm will decline in population by at least 50% per generation and quite quickly disappear. This dynamic helps explain the gradual drift of American culture toward religious fundamentalism and social conservatism. Among states that voted for President Bush in 2004, the average fertility rate is more Tomorrow's children, therefore, unlike members of the postwar baby boom generation, will be for the most part descendants of a comparatively narrow and culturally conservative segment of society the death of the Enlightenment" ------------------------------------------------------------ Darwinism doesn't work well today - if you're uneducated you give birth to a dozen children, if you're smart you have less children. When I was a kid, I remember only the successful families could afford to have many children, while those that were struggling as a family unit couldn't. Now the exact opposite is true. Did you know that only 49% of women in the upper job echelon have children? It reminds me of our immigration policy - allow 1.5 million uneducated illegal immigrants into the country every year, but don't allow educated PhD candidates into our country. How long will it take for the USA to go downhill?