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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (280131)	3/14/2006 2:32:08 PM
From: Road Walker	Respond to of 1574734

re: In fact, it is my belief that the "women's liberation" movement has done more to liberate men than women. Depends on your perspective, but if you change "more" to "as much" then I agree. And that's a good thing, right? Liberating people?

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (280131)	3/15/2006 5:00:01 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574734

JF, I think it's time I explained my comment, because the meaning might have been lost in its confrontational tone. Most men support feminism because it also liberates them. They no longer have to be the sole breadwinner of the household if women bring in second incomes. They have even less of a reason to take precautions when having sex, because women are more "sexually liberated" than before. They can assume fewer responsibilities than before, because now they can hand some of them off to women these days. In fact, it is my belief that the "women's liberation" movement has done more to liberate men than women. There is some truth to your statement but I think it misses something as well. I've noticed that men do support women more and more, but don't seem to know what their role is now that things are changed. In fact, I think men need some help. You either get the guy who isn't buying any of it, or the guy who does want women to have equal power but doesn't seem to know what his role is in this new configuration. These guys aren't necessarily weak, but rather are unsure where they stand now that the rules have changed. In fact, recently, I got into it with a very assertive woman in my cohort. She accused me of only having my focus on the boys, and suggested when I became a teacher, I would only care about them and not the girls. And then she went on to say that the boys, for all their problems, still have it better that the girls. I was quite surprised. I had backed up everything I had said by statistics and other facts I thought appropriate. So I told her that I thought she was being unfair; that the facts say otherwise and to ignore them is foolish. However, that does not mean I will blow off the girls in favor of the boys. That approach hasn't worked either in the past. She continued to attack me and then accused me of not really wanting women to be empowered. It was a crazy converation and I knew it had more to do with her personality than with reality. The professor was kind of dumbstruck as was most of the class. Suddenly, one guy who is less aggressive than I, spoke up.......he was very tentative but he ended up by standing up for my position. I don't know how to put this other than to say it felt good. Men need to support each other in the way women have learned to do with each other........not necessarily in opposition to women but in general. Bottomline: I want women to be equal and empowered but I don't want that to mean that men become disempowered......if there is such a word. And I'd like to see men be less competitive with each other and more supportive. I think in the long run we would all benefit. ted