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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (183547)3/15/2006 2:19:57 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hawk. I don't see why Iran couldn't have a nuclear power reactor and a small tactical nuclear bomb. I don't see why they would want to buy one to produce electricity, but people are odd and want all sorts of things and have all sorts of odd economic ideas. Look at Geode for example who thinks that Iran needs a nuclear power station and she can figure that out with very simply [unexplained] economics which are too complex for me to understand.

And it makes sense that Russia be the supplier [not Chernobyl version of course]. Russians are not paid much and they would normally be the low-bidder for technology in their region within their technological abilities.

Russia could sell the power station and bomb and put them where the Iranians want them. Russia could require at all times a supervising Russian to ensure no fissionable material is taken and that all is returned to Russia after use. The nuclear bomb would sit in the foundations underneath the reactor, being a nice safe place where it wouldn't get lost.

If Iran shot, gaoled or otherwise removed the supervisor [supervisors probably], then the nuclear bomb controller back in Moscow would disassemble the reactor so that the materials wouldn't be taken for wrongful purposes contrary to the agreement.

Hey presto, Geode gets her nuclear reactor in Iran, Russia gets to make a sale, Iranians get electricity from nuclear energy [which is apparently better than electricity from gas which they plan to deliver through an enormously expensive and geopolitically risky pipeline to India, which the Indians will use to produce electricity], Americans don't have to worry about a nuclear-armed Iran, which gets to have a nuclear bomb, and Israelis don't have to worry about having Israel wiped out by Iran.

I should be an international geopolitical energy supply consultant.

All the people who would have been involved in fighting and killing and destruction could get a job figuring out and writing a constitution for a NUN, then supervising real problems of the commons, and borders.

How about that, in a couple of minutes, a plan to make everyone happy. Iran has said they don't want a bomb so they don't really want one, but secretly would like one, so they could have one, but they wouldn't actually control it, so they could have one while not having it. They'd get their nuclear power station which they say they really, really want, to the extent that they'd like to have a war over it.

Huh? A nuclear power station, which is completely uneconomic in my very simply economic understanding [since India should build it and Iran should build a gas-fired thermal power station and save the cost and risk of the pipeline], is worth having a huge war over. With the USA at that!! It's not as though they'd be having a war with one of the mini-stans, which they might even win.

There's something rotten in the state of Denmark and it isn't a cartoon of Islamic reaction to a picture of Mohammed, peace be upon him, you, me, Iran, Russia, USA, NZ - oh heck, peace [and power stations] be upon everyone.

Mqurice

PS: Does anyone have any idea what simple economics Geode is applying to rationalize a $billions pipeline across Afghanistan and Pakistan [which is itself ridiculous] to India instead of building the power station at the upstream end? Perhaps there's a trained economist in SI who could explain it. It's apparently simple economics so somebody should understand it.

I think some people have never done actual real work, like building a pipeline, so don't understand that it actually takes a lot of effort to do things. They are used to spending OPM and hiring OP to do the work, so don't feel the effort and think there isn't any.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (183547)3/15/2006 5:03:15 PM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 281500
 
You are right on. Remember the Russians can always turn on a dime and be the ones to take out those iran nukes. I think they are closer and the iranians have sort of embarrassed russia already with this on again off again enrichment stuff.