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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (732233)	3/15/2006 1:55:57 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I don't know why they persist, when all they do leads to more of the same: further weakened by leftist protests here at home

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (732233)	3/15/2006 2:46:23 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Re: "I think the problem with our fight in Vietnam...." Of course there was also the very LARGE problem of the differences in perception. Many in the US saw the conflict as just a part of the global struggle between Capitalism and Communism, between Democracy and Totalitarianism. While many Vietnamese saw the conflict in nationalistic terms: as a patriotic resistance to foreign Colonialist invaders... after all, the US stepped into the conflict, essentially taking up the role that had been played by the French Colonialists for some 50 years --- and Colonialism had been on the wane globally for most of the 20th. Century, and nationalism on the rise. It's interesting to remember that --- while old Ho was no doubt a dedicated Commie --- he was ALSO a hero of the Vietnamese war of resistance and liberation against both the Japanese in WW II, and the French after WW II, when the French came back to pick up their former place as colonial masters (spending our Marshall Plan money to fight their war of re-conquest). As such, Ho was posed to win the UN sponsored elections in Vietnam by a LANDSLIDE, when we and the French manuovered at the end of the '50s to kill the elections to keep him from winning. THAT is how Vietnam got divided into 'North and South'.... From the point of view of most Vietnamese (most of whom who had no idea what 'communism' was anyway...), the war was just an extension of the war they'd been fighting for national freedom against the French and Japanese for nearly 50 years (and hundreds of years against the Chinese, if you want to take a longer view), while we saw things COMPLETELY differently, from a 'Domino' perspective.