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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (161047)3/18/2006 10:16:36 AM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 793896
 
Fallaci has been battling cancer for years. To her credit, she is still smart and feisty and terribly incisive. I hope she recovers. We will lose one of the preeminent journalist of the last 75 years when she passes.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (161047)3/18/2006 11:03:15 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 793896
 
<In The Force of Reason, the controversial Italian journalist and novelist Oriana Fallaci illuminates one of the central enigmas of our time. How did Europe become home to an estimated 20 million Muslims in a mere three decades?>

Because they ignored Enoch Powell. Because they are arrogant, thinking that inferior "grateful immigrants will adopt an obviously superior way of thinking". "Anyway, we have the numbers and we are the boss". Because they are stupid. Because they are greedy [getting people to work for not much money but thoughtlessly giving away the commons which is more valuable than the work done]. Because they are superstitious/religious and think religious people are a "good thing". Because Moslems bred like bunnies. Because they figured out the system and used it to their advantage [get one in, get the extended family in]. Because superior cultures/DNA take over from inferior cultures, eliminating the less survival-fit DNA from the species.

You can see the process in New Zealand, which was all Maori 200 years ago. Now, Maoris are a small section of NZ and diluted with mainly European culture. They brought the foreigners in for profit, trade and other advantages [such as killing the competing tribes]. New Zealanders now are doing the same thing, repeating the mistakes of the Maoris and now the Europeans = giving the place away for a few blankets and some muskets. The Maoris did okay though [the damn diseases would have come anyway even if they had only allowed in a few ships to trade]. They were hard-nosed in their dealings with the British and got major advantages. They sold or gave away useless hinterlands and the British made it highly valuable and that wealth sloshed onto the local Maoris too [via employment, trade, military support, the odd bit of larceny, and some of the white girls were nice to have].

Europe is not getting the advantages that Maoris got. They thought the gift was "cheap labour". It was a Trojan Horse. Out of the horse jumped welfare beneficiaries and Islamic Jihad [and excellent people of course, though not so many - without Allen Salmasi there might not have been a QUALCOMM and the current boss of QUALCOMM's ASICs division is Indian and an excellent addition to the company he seems to be].

The answer is to create Tradable Citizenships. Which would be quoted on the stock market. Then the real value of things would be visible. When politicians come up with dopey ideas, the market value would decline and the politician would quickly lose votes. People could leave their country without leaving all the value they and their ancestors created. They could take it with them as cash.

If people realized that low-paid immigrant refugees are being given $1 million of value they would think again. Why should one particular immigrant be given such value in exchange for being willing to go on the dole and attending Islamic riots?

Mqurice



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (161047)3/18/2006 6:10:01 PM
From: Thomas A Watson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793896
 
I think one can look at Mexicans and the US and imagine a similar conspiracy. There actually may be some individuals who believe in and try to advance those conspiracy. But I believe in the vast analysis of individuals, It's folks looking for a better life with a future.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (161047)3/19/2006 9:17:15 AM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793896
 
Another review of Fallaci's latest:

nysun.com

The Faith of an Atheist
Books
BY IRA STOLL
March 15, 2006
URL: nysun.com

Encountering a pro-American European journalist who writes passionately and in chilling detail of the threat to the West from the rise of Islam in Europe, one is tempted to be supportive. But in her new book, "The Force of Reason" (Rizzoli, 307 pages, $19.95), Oriana Fallaci strains the good will of even the most sympathetic reader.

Never mind the eccentric way this volume has been published by Rizzoli, which seems not to have English language typesetting software in house. (In the first few pages of the book, both the words "have" - "have"- and "whore" - "who-re" - are hyphenated, as if they were being pronounced in a bad Italian accent.)

The more serious problem is the sweeping nature of her condemnation of Islam and Muslims. She faults them for the fact that "they breed like rats"; for requiring their meat to be slaughtered in a "barbaric" manner she says is similar to kosher butchery; for having their own schools, hospitals, and cemeteries; for immigrating; and for wanting accommodation of their religious holidays and Sabbath in schools and workplaces.

Much of her complaint about Islam, in other words, might as well be directed at Orthodox Jews, and a good deal of it at American Catholics. Ms. Fallaci's cry of alarm - "Wake up, West, wake up! They have declared war on us, we are at war! And in war we must fight" - rings less alarmingly when it turns out that what she's alarmed about is religions having their own cemeteries. Anyone familiar with the graveyard behind the Congregational church in any traditional New England town - or, for that matter, the Trinity Church graveyard in Lower Manhattan - realizes that, in itself, isn't much of a threat at all.

Ms. Fallaci makes clear that her aversion is not to Islamist terrorism alone or to Islamic extremism but to Islam and Muslims in general. "Moderate Islam does not exist," she writes, calling it "an illusion," an invention of naive Westerners.

This is undermined at least in part by her own reporting, which includes an interview she had in 1975 with the Saudi oil minister, who offered her champagne from his cellar and invited her to accompany him to Mecca, notwithstanding the strictures of Islam against alcohol and against non-Muslims visiting Mecca.

As for Ms. Fallaci's claim that "95% of Muslims reject freedom and democracy," it's just false, as demonstrated by the remarkable turnout in repeated Iraqi elections and in the fact that so many brave Iraqi troops have been willing to risk their lives and die fighting the insurgency there. They are fighting for precisely freedom and democracy.

For all these flaws, Ms. Fallaci's book is an important one, because it illuminates a fundamental tension on the Western side of the war against the Islamist terrorists. American supporters of the war are led by a president who believes "freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."

Yet in Europe, one of the most prominent spokeswomen for the war is Ms. Fallaci, who proclaims herself an atheist, insults the patriarch Abraham - "Who wants a Founding Father who is ready to slit his own child's throat for the glory of some God?" - and manages to throw in insults to Mormons and Christian Scientists while she's at it. Not to mention declaring the dogma of Mary's virginity to be the formula of "a stupid brain." One gets the sense at times that Ms. Fallaci's opposition to Islam is just a subset of a broader opposition to all religion.

America allied itself with a godless Soviet Union back in World War II to defeat Nazism, then fought a longer battle to defeat the Soviet Union. If America's Christian and Jewish right and the European secular left can hold it together long enough to beat back the Muslims at the gates of Eurabia, they seem headed afterward for a collision with each other. That, at least, was the implication I drew from Ms. Fallaci's book.

The other implication - one that, in some of the book's strongest sections, Ms. Fallaci herself concedes - is that it'd be a mistake to bet against the Western religions in that collision, if and when it ensues. For Ms. Fallaci herself is a complex figure on this front. She writes with apparent pride of her private audience with Pope Benedict XVI, a man she says she deeply respects since she read his "intelligent books."

"In the Church of today I see an unexpected partner, an unexpected ally," she writes. She has "faith" that the West "cannot lose" the war it is in, faith that comes from seeing New Yorkers braving the risk of a terrorist attack and gathering in Times Square on New Year's Eve 2004 and shouting, she reports, "Hallelujah." She refers to the Ten Commandments as "the genesis of our moral principles."

Sometimes the atheist even goes overboard with her claims that "without the crucifix our civilization would not exist" and her rhetorical question, "Who, before Jesus of Nazareth, had ever blasted against slavery?"

Part of Ms. Fallaci's atheism seems driven by the appeasement mentality that has afflicted elements of the Catholic Church, which, as she puts it disappointedly, "for the moment seems to be uncapable of defending Christianity."

The title of this book is "The Force of Reason." I'm all for reason - up to a point. Somewhere, though, in a book claiming the Ten Commandments are the genesis of our moral principles and that the basis of faith in a Western victory in the current war is a cry of Hallelujah, reason alone fails to suffice as an explanatory force. So perhaps the alliance between religious Americans and "secular" Europeans against Islamist terrorism will endure. Or perhaps when you get right down to it, not all the secular Europeans are as secular as they claim to be.