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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (183735)	3/18/2006 6:10:07 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

In the rest of your argument, you persist with the idea that expressing an opinion is helping the enemy and such people should be imprisoned. It's one thing to have an opinion, because they are like @ssholes.. Everyone has one. And I don't particularly have a problem with people expressing their opinions. It's when their opinions are aimed at motivating others to undermine the defense of the nation/state, either by inciting others to actively undermine the national defense effort, or to ridicule and humiliate those who are sacrificing their personal freedoms, and often their lives, to defend the freedoms of the overall society as a whole. There are probably quite a few Muslims living in America who might identify with Usama Bin Laden or Islamo-Fascism. And they have the right to their opinion so long as they don't undermine the national effort to defend itself against Al Qai'da. But when those people publicly denounce the national defense effort, and attempt to recruit and brainwash others into believing that Usama Bin Laden is some kind of hero, then these people are obviously hold values that contrast to those that our nation was founded upon. So it would FOOLHARDY, if not downright negligent, to let these people run around advancing their viewpoints. This is what I mean. But not all of them are. I have read, even right here in SI, some opinions that fighting a war in Iraq is a bad idea. You think they should all be imprisoned in defence of freedom. Absolutely.. We've all seen the idiots who are supportive of Hugo Chavez, Castro, and Ahmadinejad because they hate Bush more than they love their country. King George II made the childish 12 year old comment "You are either with us or against us". Not so. People might be simply indifferent. I prefer.. "Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way". Look, as I've mentioned previously, if we were forced to conduct our battles of WWII with the same level of public scrutiny and debate, we may never have won that war. We would have been too busy permitting ourselves to become pawns of the Nazis and Imperial Japanese, or our own domestic Fascist followers and isolationists. Hell, we invaded a neutral country when we entered N. Africa. All for the purpose of obtaining the necessary bases and territory to evict Rommel from the African continent. And many Frenchmen weren't keen on the British presence there because of how the British had destroyed the French navy and killed 1,600 of their sailors. We occupied the French colonies in the Levant as well and occupied them. And none of these occupations were designed to kill Nazis. In fact, just as in Iraq with the "counter-invasion" by Al Qai'da led by Zarqawi, the Nazis invaded Tunisia as the 8th Army pushed them out of Libya.. And it's likely that quite a few innocent people died in the ensuing battles... All because the US/Britain invaded a neutral country.. So can you imagine CNN or the liberal wackos out here complaining about our having invaded Vichy France, not understanding that it was a stepping stone towards destroying the Nazi presence in the region? We felt we could justify "liberating" Vichy N. Africa out of the logic that they were Nazi collaborators. But somehow these liberals are willing to provide outright support to Saddam and his cronies by asserting that the US and Britain didn't have the right to overthrow his evil regime. Do you understand my comparison? Iraq is only one battle in this war against Al Qai'da. And if Al Qai'da chooses to engage us in Iraq, we have no other course of action but to confront and destroy them. And people expressing their freedom of opinion is one thing, but to do so in blatant disregard of the fact that Al Qai'da is operating in Iraq and thus, a legitimate enemy to be destroyed, is inexcusable. Hawk