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To: GVTucker who wrote (892)3/19/2006 6:01:08 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 5034
 
This is the goofy argument that I often get. That is, that I'm detracting from scams on the long side, by focusing on Naked Short Scamming.

I'm for going after all scams. There are plenty of people writing about and much is being done to eliminate scams on the long side.

I also disagree with other aspects of your post.

Because of secrecy in the hedge fund industry, we really don't know the extent that small hedge funds participate in the Elgindy type transactions. In fact, I've just cited a co-defendant who pled guilty who was a hedgie. His website was populated by hedge funds. Read the transcript.

As far as your contention that "most all" manipulators play the long side and not the short side, I'd agree that there is more scamming on the long side. That's because there is more trading on the long side and short scamming is typically better hidden. Off-shore transactions, complicated arbitrage deals and vested interests in keeping the current MM system, among other things, make it harder to fully understand the scope of the problems involved on the short side.

As far as the worry that increased regulation will hurt the market, that is also bogus. I'm suggesting that we open up the books. Let's see the disease before we make the diagnosis, before we prepare the remedy. The industry, including hedge funds, is fighting tooth and nail, to prevent changes. If it turns out that this is not a significant problem, then I'd listen to your argments. However, as I suspect, that this issue doesn't go away, it's time to make our markets and information equal and accessible to all, without the capability for vested interests, including hedge funds and MMs, to scam.

As far as the vocal supporters of regulation, including Bob O'Brien and others hurting anything, your comment is quite frankly, ridiculous. Without him and others bringing this issue to light, nothing would have happened in this area. Hedge funds would continue to get their hugely inflated returns. MM's continue to enjoy the current abusive system.

Bear in mind, I am not suggesting that, in any way, penny stocks contribute to most of the hedge fund transactions or most of the NSScamming. Because of the number of posts that deal with penny stock companies, it seems that way. This type of message board gets most of its posts from those who trade penny stocks and so the comment is weighted inthat area.

However, I disagree with your implication that there is NO scamming or manipulation in this area. The issue of NSScamming is, I agree, more of an issue with respect to hedge funds in larger microcaps and small caps. In the penny stock area, changes need to be made in the MM system and with respect to strict enforcement as you suggest, requiring the elimination of fails to deliver.

I'd do agree that we should start with enforcing the current regulations. However, the industry comes up with these bogus arguments that the "dog ate the certificate" as excuses. I believe that the industry can come up with a realistic time frame for the determination of fails to deliver. Maybe it's 3 days, 5 days, 13 days. Beyond that, require mandatory determination and buy-in. Eliminate the exceptions and loopholes that occur through the ex-clearing process, through overseas "desking," arbitrage, etc. Require transfer agents books to be open and up to date.

There is no excuse for the grandfathering of this scam. Eliminate this. There are companies on the Reg.Sho list for a year. There is no excuse for this.

You seem to be worried that hedge funds will go out of business. I'm not for regulating them out of business. I'm for registration of all that offer securities in the US, without loopholes for size or location. However, I'd be willing to have an efficient system of regulation, not one that gets mired in the paper work that affects the mutual fund industry.

If your fear is that once started regulation becomes overwhelmed in red tape, then I share your concern. Reg Sho is an example. However, government inefficiency is no reason to allow scams to go unchecked. As we are seeing a move to make Reg Sho more efficient and less CYA paper shuffling, the same could be done with a total revamp in the way the markets function. Let's have markets that really are auction based, up to date, taking advantage of the technology of the 21st century.

Try thinking outside the box. It's the only way we can create a system that works efficiently, and provides a level playing field, minimizes the potential for scamming on both the long side and the short side and which covers a myriad of individuals and entities.



To: GVTucker who wrote (892)3/19/2006 6:01:10 AM
From: rrufff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5034
 
This is the goofy argument that I often get. That is, that I'm detracting from scams on the long side, by focusing on Naked Short Scamming.

I'm for going after all scams. There are plenty of people writing about and much is being done to eliminate scams on the long side.

I also disagree with other aspects of your post.

Because of secrecy in the hedge fund industry, we really don't know the extent that small hedge funds participate in the Elgindy type transactions. In fact, I've just cited a co-defendant who pled guilty who was a hedgie. His website was populated by hedge funds. Read the transcript.

As far as your contention that "most all" manipulators play the long side and not the short side, I'd agree that there is more scamming on the long side. That's because there is more trading on the long side and short scamming is typically better hidden. Off-shore transactions, complicated arbitrage deals and vested interests in keeping the current MM system, among other things, make it harder to fully understand the scope of the problems involved on the short side.

As far as the worry that increased regulation will hurt the market, that is also bogus. I'm suggesting that we open up the books. Let's see the disease before we make the diagnosis, before we prepare the remedy. The industry, including hedge funds, is fighting tooth and nail, to prevent changes. If it turns out that this is not a significant problem, then I'd listen to your argments. However, as I suspect, that this issue doesn't go away, it's time to make our markets and information equal and accessible to all, without the capability for vested interests, including hedge funds and MMs, to scam.

As far as the vocal supporters of regulation, including Bob O'Brien and others hurting anything, your comment is quite frankly, ridiculous. Without him and others bringing this issue to light, nothing would have happened in this area. Hedge funds would continue to get their hugely inflated returns. MM's continue to enjoy the current abusive system.

Bear in mind, I am not suggesting that, in any way, penny stocks contribute to most of the hedge fund transactions or most of the NSScamming. Because of the number of posts that deal with penny stock companies, it seems that way. This type of message board gets most of its posts from those who trade penny stocks and so the comment is weighted inthat area.

However, I disagree with your implication that there is NO scamming or manipulation in this area. The issue of NSScamming is, I agree, more of an issue with respect to hedge funds in larger microcaps and small caps. In the penny stock area, changes need to be made in the MM system and with respect to strict enforcement as you suggest, requiring the elimination of fails to deliver.

I'd do agree that we should start with enforcing the current regulations. However, the industry comes up with these bogus arguments that the "dog ate the certificate" as excuses. I believe that the industry can come up with a realistic time frame for the determination of fails to deliver. Maybe it's 3 days, 5 days, 13 days. Beyond that, require mandatory determination and buy-in. Eliminate the exceptions and loopholes that occur through the ex-clearing process, through overseas "desking," arbitrage, etc. Require transfer agents books to be open and up to date.

There is no excuse for the grandfathering of this scam. Eliminate this. There are companies on the Reg.Sho list for a year. There is no excuse for this.

You seem to be worried that hedge funds will go out of business. I'm not for regulating them out of business. I'm for registration of all that offer securities in the US, without loopholes for size or location. However, I'd be willing to have an efficient system of regulation, not one that gets mired in the paper work that affects the mutual fund industry.

If your fear is that once started regulation becomes overwhelmed in red tape, then I share your concern. Reg Sho is an example. However, government inefficiency is no reason to allow scams to go unchecked. As we are seeing a move to make Reg Sho more efficient and less CYA paper shuffling, the same could be done with a total revamp in the way the markets function. Let's have markets that really are auction based, up to date, taking advantage of the technology of the 21st century.

Try thinking outside the box. It's the only way we can create a system that works efficiently, and provides a level playing field, minimizes the potential for scamming on both the long side and the short side and which covers a myriad of individuals and entities.



To: GVTucker who wrote (892)3/19/2006 6:03:18 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 5034
 
I don't agree with all of this - It's a good place to start.

Welcome to the NCANS
The National Coalition Against Naked Shorting
A bi-partisan advocacy group. Click here to join.

For the latest headlines and developments, go to the NEWS page.

For a Primer on Naked Short Selling/Failing to Deliver, Click Here .

For a summary of the issues surrounding the practice, written by Dr. Patrick Byrne, Click Here.

NCANS is a grassroots advocacy group composed of small investors who are tired of the predatory hedge funds on Wall Street violating the rules against naked shorting - the "Failing To Deliver" of the shares they sold to unsuspecting investors, who believe that the electronic tick that is represented in their brokerage statement represents a real share, rather than an electronic counterfeit with none of the attendant rights or protections of a real share. We want the regulators to enforce the rules in an impartial manner, not selectively and for the benefit of those who abuse the system.

The charter of NCANS is simple:
The systematic violation of the rules against Failing To Deliver poses an imminent threat to the credibility of the US financial system.

Our regulators are uninterested in enforcing the rules that have been on the books since the creation of the SEC in 1933 by Congress.

The existence of a Reg SHO Threshold list is a "list of shame" —a sad testament to our regulators’ lack of interest in enforcing the rules against Failing To Deliver. If they did, there wouldn't be a list. Pretty cut and dried.

The grandfathering of all Fail To Delivers prior to January 7, 2005 represents an effective "vacation from the rule of law", and amounts to a pardon for the criminals that have manipulated the system. This is akin to allowing bank robbers to keep the proceeds of their robberies prior to the beginning of the year, and is an affront to those who expect our system to protect us and enforce the rules designed to do so.

The Administration's drive to privatize Social Security is untenable given the egregious violation of the public trust that our regulators' failure to enforce the rules represents.

Our demands are straightforward and reasonable:

1) Make the SEC enforce the rules that were written and designed to protect investors from Failing To Deliver the stock they bought. No exceptions, no back-room sweetheart deals, no looking the other way while America is fleeced.

2) Make the DTCC disclose the number of shares in violation - "Fail to Delivers" - for each company on the list, on a daily basis.

3) Force the Transfer Agents to make outstanding share figures available in daily real time for any company not exempt from registration and reporting.

4) Eliminate the grandfathering "vacation from the rule of law" on an illegal abuse that has been ongoing. Enforce the buy-in provisions on ALL Fail To Deliver positions, not just the latest violations. Don’t reward criminal behavior. Punish it.

5) Demand accountability for how this violation of the public trust occurred, and fix it, rather than covering it up.

From Bob O'Brien's 11/24/05 open letter to the state regulators of NASAA - 7 proposed steps the states could take to curb naked short selling, while avoiding conflict with the SEC's laughably ineffective Reg SHO (the states have jurisdiction over the brokers if they are doing business in their state and have a presence there, as well as over the DTCC by the same nexus rules):

Eliminate partial settlement, and prohibit the release of any funds to non-delivering sellers (regardless of what the share price does), until all shares of the trade involved are delivered to the original buyer. This eliminates the current mark to market release of funds to Fraudulent Stock Traders, and prohibits them from using any portion of the proceeds until the shares are delivered. That terminates a large part of the financial reward for FSTs.
Hold back all commissions until the shares have been delivered.
Force buying brokers to inform their customers when delivery has failed.
Upon notification of delivery failure, give the buying customer the option to cancel the trade, and have his money returned.
If a customer decides not to cancel trade (presumably because the price has changed in his favor), require the broker to implement a buy-in.
Create a "Brokers With Current Delivery Violations" master list , itemized by security - brokers who have current unsettled trades for Reg SHO Threshold List stocks.
Implement a financial penalty for Fraudulent Stock Trades involving SHO Threshold List securities – 33% of the trade value would likely eliminate delivery failure as a trading strategy.
Special thanks to Tommytoyz for much of this list.