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To: SGJ who wrote (7851)	3/20/2006 10:11:15 PM
From: ahhaha	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24758

Spartan democracy? Spartan democracy. Spartans were commonly known to govern by diarchy and oligarchy. Have you forgotten the ephors? Athenians did have a true democracy, Cite your reference. Athenian democracy was nothing more than mob rule. That's why they lost wars and eventually disappeared. which bears little resemblance to our republican form. I wish. I prefer Jeffersonian democracy which Jefferson held was based more on the style of democracy of Sparta. To call hundreds of years of Athenian dominance a failure due to democracy is also a stretch. According to whom? Athenian dominance? You don't really want to study that degenerate pseudo sub culture. Plato didn't have much regard for it and neither did history, that is, up to contemporary revisionism. The only time that Athens rose to some significance was during the Age of Pericles when the main buildings of the Acropolis were built, but it wasn't much of a city state, and quickly went to the dogs, literally. You can't even call Athens, or Sparta, democracies. If you lived there, the only difference between these cities and ones in Persia or anywhere else, was a lack of fielty to a king. You couldn't get the Greeks to follow any leader, and that was true there all the way back to Agamemnon. So they had to cooperate in a minimal way which has evolved, after 2000 years, into what we now call democracy. In the interim there were only kingdoms. The more autocratic Spartan rule could not hold power. They must have held it pretty well because they defeated Athens. It's interesting that you say "autocratic Spartans". The Bronze Age Greeks on the Peloponnesus were undifferentiated from Athens or the other city states. The degree of democracy or lack of it was only due to some small variance in character that came by necessity. The Spartans had to defend all Greece from Persia so they moved towards a lifestyle which would be most effective for military preparedness, away from what we would now call peaceful democracy. Just consider how difficult it is to get a democracy to defend itself. You need autocrats to kick asses. You have no proof that any other form of government would have extended the empire. I have the proof of Alexander that the "empire" could be extended, and without democracy, but with dictatorship. What the USA needs is classical liberal thinking in a disciplined way. That isn't what "liberal" has come to mean. It's meaning has inverted so that now it means "fixated decrepit idealism". Please cite reference. If I did that, the MIBs would start tailing you like they do me.