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To: RetiredNow who wrote (281050)3/21/2006 9:48:34 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1575946
 
Bush sees no pullout before '09

By Brian Knowlton International Herald Tribune

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 2006


WASHINGTON At a time of mounting public uncertainty about Iraq, President George W. Bush insisted at a news conference Tuesday that the violence there had not evolved into a civil war, but he acknowledged that the war would not end during his tenure and that a decision on complete American troop withdrawal would fall to "future presidents."

He also expressed full confidence in his top advisers, despite calls even from senior Republicans for an injection of fresh blood to help deal with surprises in Bush's second term that have undermined his standing in opinion polls and sapped his political capital. But the president did not rule out changes in the White House.

Bush has repeatedly refused to set any timetable for a complete pullout, saying that to do so would encourage insurgents. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - whose work Bush defended Tuesday - has said that wars on insurgencies often last a dozen years or more.

Still, by saying at a news conference that the final withdrawal would ultimately fall to a successor, Bush placed it no sooner than 2009, when the next president takes office.

Asked about prospects for a full withdrawal, Bush replied, "That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents, and future governments of Iraq."

As the war in Iraq enters its fourth year, a welling of sectarian violence has raised fears of a civil war. On Sunday, a former Iraqi prime minister, Ayad Allawi, said: "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."

Asked whether he agreed, Bush immediately replied, "I do not." He predicted that "there's going to be more tough fighting ahead," but insisted that coalition and Iraqi forces were making progress. "Our job is to make sure the civil war doesn't happen," he said.

Violence continued Tuesday in Iraq, as hundreds of insurgents attacked a police station in Muqdadiya, northeast of Baghdad. The firefight left 18 police officers dead. (Page 7)

A reporter asked how Bush would respond to that attack, and to a onetime supporter in Ohio who had said of the president: "He's losing me. He's been there too long. He's losing me."

Bush said that he was "talking realistically to people." He added, "If I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there. I wouldn't put those kids there."

But the president said that if troops were withdrawn prematurely, "Iraq would become a place of instability, a place from which the enemy can plot, plan and attack."

While the recent outbreak of sectarian violence was disturbing, he said, he drew comfort from the way Iraqi leaders and ordinary citizens had responded.

"The Iraqis took a look and decided not to go to civil war," Bush said. "The Iraqis had a chance to fall apart, and they didn't."

Still, he said, the violence underscored the urgency for Iraqis of forming a unity government "as soon as possible."

Should the coalition leave and Iraqi democracy fail, he said, "Al Qaeda would be emboldened. Terrorist groups would be emboldened. The Islamofascists would be emboldened."

Bush, who fielded more than 20 questions in his second news conference of the year, appeared intent on again conveying a firm but careful confidence about Iraq, as he sought to do in two recent speeches, including one in Cleveland on Monday.

He seemed generally relaxed, frequently joking with reporters; the give- and-take with citizen questioners Monday had seemed to enliven him.

Bush even took one question Tuesday - apparently his first in years - from the veteran reporter Helen Thomas, of Hearst Newspapers, who often bombards the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, with questions sharply critical of the war.

"Why did you really want to go to war from the moment you stepped into the White House?" she asked.

Bush replied that no president wanted war, but that the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks had changed all calculations.

Still, his attempts to stem the downward course of public feeling on Iraq appear problematic. The more somber tone he has adopted regarding the war appears designed partly to address concerns that he had remained too upbeat for too long, as scenes of violence filled American television screens, seemingly belying his words.

But questions of credibility and competence cropped up repeatedly Tuesday.

Asked about polls showing rising doubts about White House trustworthiness - a recent Pew Center poll found that "incompetent" had replaced "honest" as the word Americans most associated with Bush - he said that his job was to share his thinking with Americans, "and what's on my mind is winning the war on terror."

One reporter asked about suggestions that Bush's senior staff had grown "tired and even tone-deaf," and perhaps needed help from an experienced senior adviser.

Bush said that his team had faced many challenges and that "they've got my confidence." But he did not flatly reject speculation that he might make changes. Asked again, "No new guy?" he replied, "I'm not going to announce it right now."

When a reporter asked Bush about the proposal from a liberal Wisconsin Democrat, Senator Russell Feingold, to censure the president over his authorization of surveillance without warrants, he appeared annoyed.

"Needless partisanship" would not advance healthy debate, Bush replied. Democrats had mostly backed away from Feingold's proposal, and there were few calls to end all surveillance.

If Democrats thought it was wrong, Bush said, "they ought to stand up and say the tools we're using to protect the American people shouldn't be used."

He said, in reply to a question, that Rumsfeld should not resign; Rumsfeld was doing "a fine job."

On other topics, Bush was asked about the agreement to open negotiations with Iran over its relations with Iraq. He said this was merely a channel to make it clear to Tehran that it was expected not to meddle in Iraq. Any negotiations over Iran's nuclear activities would remain the responsibility of Britain, France and Germany.

Bush said he was not satisfied with the rising national debt, but said that part of that reflected mandatory spending bills, as for the Medicare program, and part of it exceptional spending, such as for the Iraq war and hurricane relief.

Asked whether, as Bush had said after the 2004 election, he still felt he had "political capital" to spend, he replied steadily, "I'm spending that capital on the war."

WASHINGTON At a time of mounting public uncertainty about Iraq, President George W. Bush insisted at a news conference Tuesday that the violence there had not evolved into a civil war, but he acknowledged that the war would not end during his tenure and that a decision on complete American troop withdrawal would fall to "future presidents."

He also expressed full confidence in his top advisers, despite calls even from senior Republicans for an injection of fresh blood to help deal with surprises in Bush's second term that have undermined his standing in opinion polls and sapped his political capital. But the president did not rule out changes in the White House.

Bush has repeatedly refused to set any timetable for a complete pullout, saying that to do so would encourage insurgents. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - whose work Bush defended Tuesday - has said that wars on insurgencies often last a dozen years or more.

Still, by saying at a news conference that the final withdrawal would ultimately fall to a successor, Bush placed it no sooner than 2009, when the next president takes office.

Asked about prospects for a full withdrawal, Bush replied, "That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents, and future governments of Iraq."

As the war in Iraq enters its fourth year, a welling of sectarian violence has raised fears of a civil war. On Sunday, a former Iraqi prime minister, Ayad Allawi, said: "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."

Asked whether he agreed, Bush immediately replied, "I do not." He predicted that "there's going to be more tough fighting ahead," but insisted that coalition and Iraqi forces were making progress. "Our job is to make sure the civil war doesn't happen," he said.

Violence continued Tuesday in Iraq, as hundreds of insurgents attacked a police station in Muqdadiya, northeast of Baghdad. The firefight left 18 police officers dead. (Page 7)

A reporter asked how Bush would respond to that attack, and to a onetime supporter in Ohio who had said of the president: "He's losing me. He's been there too long. He's losing me."

Bush said that he was "talking realistically to people." He added, "If I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there. I wouldn't put those kids there."

But the president said that if troops were withdrawn prematurely, "Iraq would become a place of instability, a place from which the enemy can plot, plan and attack."

While the recent outbreak of sectarian violence was disturbing, he said, he drew comfort from the way Iraqi leaders and ordinary citizens had responded.

"The Iraqis took a look and decided not to go to civil war," Bush said. "The Iraqis had a chance to fall apart, and they didn't."

Still, he said, the violence underscored the urgency for Iraqis of forming a unity government "as soon as possible."

Should the coalition leave and Iraqi democracy fail, he said, "Al Qaeda would be emboldened. Terrorist groups would be emboldened. The Islamofascists would be emboldened."

Bush, who fielded more than 20 questions in his second news conference of the year, appeared intent on again conveying a firm but careful confidence about Iraq, as he sought to do in two recent speeches, including one in Cleveland on Monday.

He seemed generally relaxed, frequently joking with reporters; the give- and-take with citizen questioners Monday had seemed to enliven him.

Bush even took one question Tuesday - apparently his first in years - from the veteran reporter Helen Thomas, of Hearst Newspapers, who often bombards the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, with questions sharply critical of the war.

"Why did you really want to go to war from the moment you stepped into the White House?" she asked.

Bush replied that no president wanted war, but that the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks had changed all calculations.

Still, his attempts to stem the downward course of public feeling on Iraq appear problematic. The more somber tone he has adopted regarding the war appears designed partly to address concerns that he had remained too upbeat for too long, as scenes of violence filled American television screens, seemingly belying his words.

But questions of credibility and competence cropped up repeatedly Tuesday.

Asked about polls showing rising doubts about White House trustworthiness - a recent Pew Center poll found that "incompetent" had replaced "honest" as the word Americans most associated with Bush - he said that his job was to share his thinking with Americans, "and what's on my mind is winning the war on terror."

One reporter asked about suggestions that Bush's senior staff had grown "tired and even tone-deaf," and perhaps needed help from an experienced senior adviser.

Bush said that his team had faced many challenges and that "they've got my confidence." But he did not flatly reject speculation that he might make changes. Asked again, "No new guy?" he replied, "I'm not going to announce it right now."

When a reporter asked Bush about the proposal from a liberal Wisconsin Democrat, Senator Russell Feingold, to censure the president over his authorization of surveillance without warrants, he appeared annoyed.

"Needless partisanship" would not advance healthy debate, Bush replied. Democrats had mostly backed away from Feingold's proposal, and there were few calls to end all surveillance.

If Democrats thought it was wrong, Bush said, "they ought to stand up and say the tools we're using to protect the American people shouldn't be used."

He said, in reply to a question, that Rumsfeld should not resign; Rumsfeld was doing "a fine job."

On other topics, Bush was asked about the agreement to open negotiations with Iran over its relations with Iraq. He said this was merely a channel to make it clear to Tehran that it was expected not to meddle in Iraq. Any negotiations over Iran's nuclear activities would remain the responsibility of Britain, France and Germany.

Bush said he was not satisfied with the rising national debt, but said that part of that reflected mandatory spending bills, as for the Medicare program, and part of it exceptional spending, such as for the Iraq war and hurricane relief.

Asked whether, as Bush had said after the 2004 election, he still felt he had "political capital" to spend, he replied steadily, "I'm spending that capital on the war."

WASHINGTON At a time of mounting public uncertainty about Iraq, President George W. Bush insisted at a news conference Tuesday that the violence there had not evolved into a civil war, but he acknowledged that the war would not end during his tenure and that a decision on complete American troop withdrawal would fall to "future presidents."

He also expressed full confidence in his top advisers, despite calls even from senior Republicans for an injection of fresh blood to help deal with surprises in Bush's second term that have undermined his standing in opinion polls and sapped his political capital. But the president did not rule out changes in the White House.

Bush has repeatedly refused to set any timetable for a complete pullout, saying that to do so would encourage insurgents. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - whose work Bush defended Tuesday - has said that wars on insurgencies often last a dozen years or more.

Still, by saying at a news conference that the final withdrawal would ultimately fall to a successor, Bush placed it no sooner than 2009, when the next president takes office.

Asked about prospects for a full withdrawal, Bush replied, "That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents, and future governments of Iraq."

As the war in Iraq enters its fourth year, a welling of sectarian violence has raised fears of a civil war. On Sunday, a former Iraqi prime minister, Ayad Allawi, said: "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."

Asked whether he agreed, Bush immediately replied, "I do not." He predicted that "there's going to be more tough fighting ahead," but insisted that coalition and Iraqi forces were making progress. "Our job is to make sure the civil war doesn't happen," he said.

Violence continued Tuesday in Iraq, as hundreds of insurgents attacked a police station in Muqdadiya, northeast of Baghdad. The firefight left 18 police officers dead. (Page 7)

A reporter asked how Bush would respond to that attack, and to a onetime supporter in Ohio who had said of the president: "He's losing me. He's been there too long. He's losing me."

Bush said that he was "talking realistically to people." He added, "If I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there. I wouldn't put those kids there."

But the president said that if troops were withdrawn prematurely, "Iraq would become a place of instability, a place from which the enemy can plot, plan and attack."

While the recent outbreak of sectarian violence was disturbing, he said, he drew comfort from the way Iraqi leaders and ordinary citizens had responded.

"The Iraqis took a look and decided not to go to civil war," Bush said. "The Iraqis had a chance to fall apart, and they didn't."

Still, he said, the violence underscored the urgency for Iraqis of forming a unity government "as soon as possible."

Should the coalition leave and Iraqi democracy fail, he said, "Al Qaeda would be emboldened. Terrorist groups would be emboldened. The Islamofascists would be emboldened."

Bush, who fielded more than 20 questions in his second news conference of the year, appeared intent on again conveying a firm but careful confidence about Iraq, as he sought to do in two recent speeches, including one in Cleveland on Monday.

He seemed generally relaxed, frequently joking with reporters; the give- and-take with citizen questioners Monday had seemed to enliven him.

Bush even took one question Tuesday - apparently his first in years - from the veteran reporter Helen Thomas, of Hearst Newspapers, who often bombards the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, with questions sharply critical of the war.

"Why did you really want to go to war from the moment you stepped into the White House?" she asked.

Bush replied that no president wanted war, but that the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks had changed all calculations.

Still, his attempts to stem the downward course of public feeling on Iraq appear problematic. The more somber tone he has adopted regarding the war appears designed partly to address concerns that he had remained too upbeat for too long, as scenes of violence filled American television screens, seemingly belying his words.

But questions of credibility and competence cropped up repeatedly Tuesday.

Asked about polls showing rising doubts about White House trustworthiness - a recent Pew Center poll found that "incompetent" had replaced "honest" as the word Americans most associated with Bush - he said that his job was to share his thinking with Americans, "and what's on my mind is winning the war on terror."

One reporter asked about suggestions that Bush's senior staff had grown "tired and even tone-deaf," and perhaps needed help from an experienced senior adviser.

Bush said that his team had faced many challenges and that "they've got my confidence." But he did not flatly reject speculation that he might make changes. Asked again, "No new guy?" he replied, "I'm not going to announce it right now."

When a reporter asked Bush about the proposal from a liberal Wisconsin Democrat, Senator Russell Feingold, to censure the president over his authorization of surveillance without warrants, he appeared annoyed.

"Needless partisanship" would not advance healthy debate, Bush replied. Democrats had mostly backed away from Feingold's proposal, and there were few calls to end all surveillance.

If Democrats thought it was wrong, Bush said, "they ought to stand up and say the tools we're using to protect the American people shouldn't be used."

He said, in reply to a question, that Rumsfeld should not resign; Rumsfeld was doing "a fine job."

On other topics, Bush was asked about the agreement to open negotiations with Iran over its relations with Iraq. He said this was merely a channel to make it clear to Tehran that it was expected not to meddle in Iraq. Any negotiations over Iran's nuclear activities would remain the responsibility of Britain, France and Germany.

Bush said he was not satisfied with the rising national debt, but said that part of that reflected mandatory spending bills, as for the Medicare program, and part of it exceptional spending, such as for the Iraq war and hurricane relief.

Asked whether, as Bush had said after the 2004 election, he still felt he had "political capital" to spend, he replied steadily, "I'm spending that capital on the war."

WASHINGTON At a time of mounting public uncertainty about Iraq, President George W. Bush insisted at a news conference Tuesday that the violence there had not evolved into a civil war, but he acknowledged that the war would not end during his tenure and that a decision on complete American troop withdrawal would fall to "future presidents."

He also expressed full confidence in his top advisers, despite calls even from senior Republicans for an injection of fresh blood to help deal with surprises in Bush's second term that have undermined his standing in opinion polls and sapped his political capital. But the president did not rule out changes in the White House.

Bush has repeatedly refused to set any timetable for a complete pullout, saying that to do so would encourage insurgents. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - whose work Bush defended Tuesday - has said that wars on insurgencies often last a dozen years or more.

Still, by saying at a news conference that the final withdrawal would ultimately fall to a successor, Bush placed it no sooner than 2009, when the next president takes office.

Asked about prospects for a full withdrawal, Bush replied, "That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents, and future governments of Iraq."

As the war in Iraq enters its fourth year, a welling of sectarian violence has raised fears of a civil war. On Sunday, a former Iraqi prime minister, Ayad Allawi, said: "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."

Asked whether he agreed, Bush immediately replied, "I do not." He predicted that "there's going to be more tough fighting ahead," but insisted that coalition and Iraqi forces were making progress. "Our job is to make sure the civil war doesn't happen," he said.

Violence continued Tuesday in Iraq, as hundreds of insurgents attacked a police station in Muqdadiya, northeast of Baghdad. The firefight left 18 police officers dead. (Page 7)

A reporter asked how Bush would respond to that attack, and to a onetime supporter in Ohio who had said of the president: "He's losing me. He's been there too long. He's losing me."

Bush said that he was "talking realistically to people." He added, "If I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there. I wouldn't put those kids there."

But the president said that if troops were withdrawn prematurely, "Iraq would become a place of instability, a place from which the enemy can plot, plan and attack."

While the recent outbreak of sectarian violence was disturbing, he said, he drew comfort from the way Iraqi leaders and ordinary citizens had responded.

"The Iraqis took a look and decided not to go to civil war," Bush said. "The Iraqis had a chance to fall apart, and they didn't."

Still, he said, the violence underscored the urgency for Iraqis of forming a unity government "as soon as possible."

Should the coalition leave and Iraqi democracy fail, he said, "Al Qaeda would be emboldened. Terrorist groups would be emboldened. The Islamofascists would be emboldened."

Bush, who fielded more than 20 questions in his second news conference of the year, appeared intent on again conveying a firm but careful confidence about Iraq, as he sought to do in two recent speeches, including one in Cleveland on Monday.

He seemed generally relaxed, frequently joking with reporters; the give- and-take with citizen questioners Monday had seemed to enliven him.

Bush even took one question Tuesday - apparently his first in years - from the veteran reporter Helen Thomas, of Hearst Newspapers, who often bombards the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, with questions sharply critical of the war.

"Why did you really want to go to war from the moment you stepped into the White House?" she asked.

Bush replied that no president wanted war, but that the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks had changed all calculations.

Still, his attempts to stem the downward course of public feeling on Iraq appear problematic. The more somber tone he has adopted regarding the war appears designed partly to address concerns that he had remained too upbeat for too long, as scenes of violence filled American television screens, seemingly belying his words.

But questions of credibility and competence cropped up repeatedly Tuesday.

Asked about polls showing rising doubts about White House trustworthiness - a recent Pew Center poll found that "incompetent" had replaced "honest" as the word Americans most associated with Bush - he said that his job was to share his thinking with Americans, "and what's on my mind is winning the war on terror."

One reporter asked about suggestions that Bush's senior staff had grown "tired and even tone-deaf," and perhaps needed help from an experienced senior adviser.

Bush said that his team had faced many challenges and that "they've got my confidence." But he did not flatly reject speculation that he might make changes. Asked again, "No new guy?" he replied, "I'm not going to announce it right now."

When a reporter asked Bush about the proposal from a liberal Wisconsin Democrat, Senator Russell Feingold, to censure the president over his authorization of surveillance without warrants, he appeared annoyed.

"Needless partisanship" would not advance healthy debate, Bush replied. Democrats had mostly backed away from Feingold's proposal, and there were few calls to end all surveillance.

If Democrats thought it was wrong, Bush said, "they ought to stand up and say the tools we're using to protect the American people shouldn't be used."

He said, in reply to a question, that Rumsfeld should not resign; Rumsfeld was doing "a fine job."

On other topics, Bush was asked about the agreement to open negotiations with Iran over its relations with Iraq. He said this was merely a channel to make it clear to Tehran that it was expected not to meddle in Iraq. Any negotiations over Iran's nuclear activities would remain the responsibility of Britain, France and Germany.

Bush said he was not satisfied with the rising national debt, but said that part of that reflected mandatory spending bills, as for the Medicare program, and part of it exceptional spending, such as for the Iraq war and hurricane relief.

Asked whether, as Bush had said after the 2004 election, he still felt he had "political capital" to spend, he replied steadily, "I'm spending that capital on the war."



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To: RetiredNow who wrote (281050)3/21/2006 10:05:49 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1575946
 
I agree with your last couple of sentences. I, a former Republican, don't want a Republican Congress or President this next time around, because I don't trust them to represent my interests anymore. It was a waste of American money and soldiers. That's why I like the Clinton-era wars. We went in with our planes and bombed the shit out of our enemies and didn't lose any soldiers and fought wars on the cheap. I like that much better than these land wars.

I wish you could see the real difference the wars Clinton fought and the wars Bush is fighting. Its not just because Clinton bombed the shit out of a place. First of all Clinton picked carefully what areas he would really take on; made sure that America was part of a real coalition of the willing and he made every effort to have the support and the cooperation of the nations surrounding the area under attack wherever possible. It was clear from the way things went a lot of planning was put into the operation before the first man was on the ground.

It would seem Bush did very little of the preparation that Clinton did. I've made this analogy before...Bush did the equivalent of some white guy, packing up his family and moving into the heart of an all black ghetto while singing "happy days are here again, the whites are moving in". For all the alleged military prowess of Republicans very little was in evidence when we invaded Iraq.

And the same incompetent butthole said today he won't withdraw American troops while he is president in spite of what Americans think.

So I ask all of you who were so gungho in your support of Bush and his moves in 2003, what the hell do we do now? Grin and bear it?