To: regli who wrote (56458 ) 3/22/2006 3:26:25 AM From: shades Respond to of 110194 Regli stop with the greenspeak. My original point was that for a LOT LESS money, and a "toyota racing" built, tested and warranty approved suspension kit installed as an option by the dealer - I could buy a vehicle far CHEAPER than that porsche and get greater results as the numbers PROVE. Value my man! Have you ever researched the history of the mr2? Lotus my man - do you know them - they make some nice mid engined cars. Dont pull out skidpad tests and then when I top your numbers - you want to change the subject - poor form!My point was that if you take a factory model and therefore unmodified car, the Porsche fares significantly better than the MR2. Ok go buy your 80K Porsche, I had the sportivo kit - which is built by toyota racing and sold by toyota installed on the NEW car as an option before I left the lot and it was included in the warranty for much much less than your 80k. Some like to pay more for less performance - your choice.Modifications often lead to questionable results as they are difficult to verify in independent tests and may never pan out on a race track. Thankfully in the original design of the car by TOYOTA RACING that particular KIT was not some cheap aftermarket third party job you are trying to insinuate - you are losing this one Regli - I am much better read on the history and ability of this car and its design and modifications than you.en.wikipedia.org The MR2 was designed by Toyota with Lotus engineer Roger Becker involved on its suspension and handling.The MR2 is obviously very quick and light. However, based on a quick search, I don't see the MR2 dominating racing even in its class which is the final test. I went to a toyota dealership - they installed a toyota suspension kit as an option on my NEW mr2 - I drove off with a brand new car with full warranty that OUTPERFORMS the 80K porsche and spent less than 30K - some people like Value - some people piss away money. 2003 winner:scca.org Tom Ellam, of Livermore, Calif., jumped out early and grabbed the lead in C Street Prepared and never gave it up on his way to a championship. In his Altamont Technical Sales Mazda RX-3, Ellam had the best time on Tuesday and then held off Tim Aro, of Richmond, Va., who ran the fastest time on Wednesday in his McGeorgeToyota.com/TRD/Pro Toyota MR2 Spyder. After the totals were added, Ellam came out just 0.196-second ahead. 2004 winner: C Street Prepared Tim Aro; Richmond, Va.; 2002 Toyota MR2 Spyder (0.160)motorsport.com Tim used to drive a porsche - he won with a MR2 Spyder - do some more research Regli - Avon is not happy with you. He won 2004 driver of the year for the SCCA - guess what car he was driving? Not a porsche. hehexecu.net Tim Aro began autocrossing in 1994 with a C Stock Toyota MR2. At the end of 1996, he purchased a 1988 Porsche 924S for National level SCCA Solo II and ProSolo2. He was quite successful in the Porsche, taking first place in CS at the Atlanta National Tour, Columbus ProSolo2, and Petersburg ProSolo2, and second at the Harrisburg and Nashville ProSolo2 events. While he was leading CS at the 1997 ProSolo2 Finale after the first heat, he ended up second to Kevin Bailey there, as well as at the 1997 National Solo II Championships. Both championship events were held in Topeka, Kansas. In 1998, he ran the 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE in F Stock. This was the first time he'd seriously campaigned a V8 car. He finished 4th in FS at the 1998 SCCA Solo II National Championships presented by Tire Rack. He took a vacation from the sport in 1999, but returned in 2000 with a new toy, a 1999 Mazda Miata, in which he finished 2nd in BS at the Solo II National Championships. He also finished 2nd in BS points in ProSolo after having won at the Harrisburg and Petersburg ProSolo events, but only managing 3rd at the Finale. In 2001, however, he took the ProSolo Championship in BS, though only finished 5th at the TireRack National Championships. In 2002, he codrove with Rod McGeorge in a CS Toyota MR2 Spyder, in which he finished 2nd at the National Championships. In 2003, that car was converted to CSP, and Tim again finished 2nd in class at the Championships. He finally defeated his demons in 2004 with a CSP National Championship in the McGeorge Toyota MR2 Spyder. More on Tim Aro and the little rice racer.autocross.com