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To: epicure who wrote (276)	3/23/2006 9:21:09 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 14758

Truth be told, the story you tell of your dad is probably not as unusual as you might think or as heretical as Brumar possibly views it. The pacifists are right you know but the time isnt, given what we face in the world. So the horror of war continues. But the argument your dad might have made is that the time will never be right unless someone at great risk puts down his arms. Below is Phil Ochs song i listened to as a kid and it still haunts me today. A movie i once saw also had an equally big impression on me--The Americanization of Emily. I can still remember James Garner yelling at the grandmother that war will go forever if folks like her keep memorializing it with the type of shrine she had set up in her house. Obviously you know my politics so for me poor timing trumps pacifism for now. I pray for the day though. Lyrics for Song: I Ain't Marching Anymore Phil Ochs Lyrics for Album: There But for Fortune Oh I marched to the battle of New Orleans At the end of the early British war The young land started growing The young blood started flowing But I ain't marchin' anymore For I've killed my share of Indians In a thousand different fights I was there at the Little Big Horn I heard many men lying I saw many more dying But I ain't marchin' anymore chorus) It's always the old to lead us to the war It's always the young to fall Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun Tell me is it worth it all For I stole California from the Mexican land Fought in the bloody Civil War Yes I even killed my brothers And so many others But I ain't marchin' anymore For I marched to the battles of the German trench In a war that was bound to end all wars Oh I must have killed a million men And now they want me back again But I ain't marchin' anymore (chorus) For I flew the final mission in the Japanese sky Set off the mighty mushroom roar When I saw the cities burning I knew that I was learning That I ain't marchin' anymore Now the labor leader's screamin' when they close the missile plants, United Fruit screams at the Cuban shore, Call it "Peace" or call it "Treason," Call it "Love" or call it "Reason," But I ain't marchin' any more, No I ain't marchin' any more

To: epicure who wrote (276)	3/23/2006 7:48:02 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14758

It is still true that your father fought in WWII because of an attack which took fewer lives than 911. It is also true that he did so despite FDR locking up all the Japanese-ancestry citizens on the west coast without even being charged with a crime. I may have been wrong about your father not feeling as you do. All you posted about him was that he fought in the Pacific to protect our way of life. Based on your reply, one sees that was an incomplete picture. Perhaps your father regretted his service. I hope not. He did the right thing. Just as we did in response to 911. The additional information you've supplied sheds a little light on how your personality (at least as it has been displayed on SI) has been formed. If you suffered abuse or neglect in your childhood you should give serious consideration to getting emotional counseling. Things can be passed on generation to generation. But they don't need to be.