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To: Mike da bear who wrote (56709)	3/24/2006 11:35:59 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 110194

you sound incorrect on Taiwan, also without sense of humor some of the sharpest electrical engineers and design engineers in the world come from Taiwan I was at Digital Equip Corp from 1980 to 1993 in 1985 or so, a big big event took place Digital absolutely OWNED & DOMINATED the video terminal niche in the computer industry at that time DEC mgmt moved all VT100 R&D to Taiwan we had Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore mfg operations we set up a specific Taiwan R&D center to exploit the extreme Taiwanese talent they produced the next generation VT (video terminal) series of products, which were rendered programmable with unique settings, better refresh times, clearer screen quality, much more, etc DEC extended its VT dominance BECAUSE OF TAIWAN word on the street within DEC was that Taiwanese workers were among the most disciplined, hard working, and expert in the world they had few if any problems like tardiness, drug abuse, and insubordination Digital later encountered extreme problems they were unrelated to our exploitation of Taiwan extreme talent the problems were with moves to super mainframes versus PC's and salaried sales force versus incentives and abandoned Seattle Prizm program which later produced Microsoft Windows NT and much more of course, Asia offers cheaper labor that is the kneejerk public opinion belief you buy into that is not the entire story YOU ARE NOT ONLY WAY OFF BASE, BUT ARROGANT ABOUT IT Asia produces 6 to 7 times as many engineers as the USA they also produce some of the world's best the trend is sweeping across Asia it began with Japan, and continued for another 20 years get a grip get a sense of humor also, get real, Taiwan is flooded with talent their pay scales are not 5x less their advantage is both number of skilled engrs and depth of skill it is a very modern society, with competitive wages cost is only one factor involved I dont know what your sources of info are, but you seem badly informed a shortage exists in the USA in talent check the universities and colleges they produce a lot of pre-law, too many marketing degrees, too many literature and philosophy degrees, too many general studies degrees, phys ed degrees, on and on we excel in the soft fields just like soft statistics not only talent shortage in USA, but professional discipline you make me laugh at your sneid response you gotta dig beyond the surface levels the next wave of R&D developments will come from China most high tech mfg sites have small R&D centers across China this covers a wide range of engineering disciplines e.g. machine tools / jim

To: Mike da bear who wrote (56709)	3/25/2006 12:08:38 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Hi I was linked to this thread on another thread. I agree with you. I used to work at Dell R&D supply chain. Imho Dell has offshored their model/business away. They went into this in 2001 with all the Gartner and McKenzie hype like "what can you move offshore today". They started at Dell with what is considered "supportive" areas moving to India- QA, documentation etc. The reason for doing this was all cost, it had to do with somebody in finance looking at a resume of a US engr vs. an Indian engr. The problem is, when you offshore a tough development effort like this, and leave only the "leads" out here, the jobs that those leads are left with is a daunting, uncreative documentation post. You have to document the hell out of everything to send to india for "coding". Anything that comes up in test cannot be easily fixed or redesigned on the fly- which contrary to popular belief happens ALL THE TIME in top R&D facilities. Instead, an entire uninspiring process starts whenever a fork in the road is discovered in design and it takes months instead of days to fix. This development model which was championed by McKenzie and Gartner in the early part of the decade is just now hitting the product portfolios of Dell, Microsoft and Intel. Its obvious something is seriously wrong and its this. Dell's future is quite bleak imho. Alienware has a US team, Dell should fire their r&d and staff up alienware in the traditional way. The supply chain at dell doesn't work anymore either. If Dell wants to bring people to the US as engineers to work with green cards, I'm all for it. As long as engineering is produced in the traditional way with everyone in the same country, in the same building trying to achieve a common goal.