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To: bentway who wrote (281742)3/25/2006 10:07:28 AM
From: Road Walker  Respond to of 1572942
 
re: Neither side in the south is one we'd support in a vaccumn. We should just move to the Kurdish region, they are the only group there that deserves our support.

And then withdraw.

McCain Pressures Iraqi Leaders on Gov't By VANESSA ARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) renewed pressure on Iraqi leaders to quickly form a new government in meetings Saturday, while more than 50 people were killed in violence, many in a gunbattle between Shiite militia forces and insurgents south of Baghdad.

McCain, R-Ariz., was in the country with Sen. Russell Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat who opposed the war in Iraq, just four days after another powerful group of American politicians traveled here to press Iraqi politicians to overcome their differences.

"The American people, no matter what party they are associated with, want the experiment of democracy to succeed," McCain said.

Feingold did not speak, but nodded in agreement as McCain spoke about the future of Iraq.

The delegation arrived in Iraq as the Bush administration has been applying extreme pressure on Iraqi politicians to form a government. Washington hopes to begin withdrawing troops this summer, banking on a decrease in violence once a national unity government is in place.

South of the capital, 40 people were killed or wounded in a big gunbattle near Mahmoudiya, police said. Police said gunmen of the Shiite Mahdi Army militia were fighting insurgent forces, which are primarily Sunni Muslim.

Hospital officials reported two civilians were killed when a mortar shell slammed into their house in the town, some 20 miles south of Baghdad.

President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, has formed a coalition of with Sunni and secular politicians against a second term for Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a move that deepened the stalemate more than three months after the Dec. 15 parliamentary elections.

After a meeting later Saturday with al-Jaafari, McCain said he was aware that Americans and Iraqis both wanted U.S. troops out of the country.

"All Americans and all Iraqis would like to see the United States withdraw but only after the Iraqi people have a government that can guarantee their security, their safety and their future," McCain said.

Earlier Saturday, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad also told assembled Iraqi athletes assembled at a community sports center that the country was at a "defining moment."

"As I speak Iraqi leaders are struggling to form a government of national unity. This is a critical step for the future of Iraq, it's a defining moment," Khalilzad said.

The main challenge, the U.S. envoy said, was "to overcome the strife that threatens to rip apart Iraq."

On Tuesday, Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), the Virginia Republican who is chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the panel, delivered a tough message to Talabani and al-Jaafari.

They warned that Americans were running out of patience and could force U.S. leaders to decrease troop strength if the delays in forming a government continued.

Elsewhere, a female teacher was killed by Iraqi soldiers as she drove past their convoy, police said.

Gunmen also killed a Sunni mosque preachers when he stopped to have his car repaired in west Baghdad.

Earlier, a bomb exploded in a traffic police hut in north Baghdad, killing four civilians. Five people, including a traffic policeman, were wounded in the attack near the Iraqi Finance Ministry, police said.

Three people in a car were killed by gunmen in the northern city of Mosul and two were wounded, one critically police said.

In Balabroz, 55 miles northeast of Baghdad, two men were killed and three wounded when a roadside bomb exploded near a police checkpoint, authorities said.

Iraqi police also found two more bodies, with their hands and legs tied and shots to the head. One was in southeastern Baghdad; the second was floating in the Tigris River, 55 miles south of the capital.

On Friday, at least 51 other people were reported to have died in violence, including two U.S. soldiers killed in western Anbar province.

Perhaps anticipating the Saturday meeting with the American delegation, Talabani on Friday issued a highly optimistic report on progress toward hammering out the shape of a new unity government.

He said the government could be in place for parliamentary approval by the end of the month, though he acknowledged "I am usually a very optimistic person." He spoke to reporters after a fifth round of multiparty talks among the country's polarized political factions. Khalilzad brokered the sessions.

A less optimistic al-Jaafari has said a Cabinet list could be ready by the end of April, a full month beyond the Talabani estimate.

In a lighter moment during a news conference, McCain also had high praise for Khalilzad, calling the Afghan-born envoy a "a national treasure."

Khalilzad, standing in the back row with junior members of the delegation, smiled broadly, then laughed when McCain said the Afghan-born diplomat also possessed a "large ego."

Despite opposition to his possible second term, Al-Jaafari suggested Friday he had no plans to step aside.

'There is no one in the world who wins unanimously except as used to happen during Saddam's era," he said.

On Feb. 12, Shiite lawmakers chose al-Jaafari to head the new government, selecting the incumbent by a one-vote margin over Vice President Adil Abdul-Mahdi of Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim's Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.



To: bentway who wrote (281742)3/27/2006 5:08:48 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572942
 
I think we've already picked our "side", and it's the same side as Iran. We support the majority ruling Shiia that make up most of the Army. I think a lot of what we're calling the "insurgency" is really Sunni violence against Shiia institutions in the making, like police. A lot of the bodies that turn up every day are from Shiia deaths squads operating clandestinely. I't just as Iyad Allawi said, it's ALREADY a low intensity civil war.

I am not sure its clear which side we are on......some of the people American troops killed over the weekend were Shia.


Iraq parties demand U.S. cede control

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:20 PM GMT

By Omar al-Ibadi

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's ruling parties demanded U.S. forces cede control of security on Monday as the government launched an inquiry into a raid on a Shi'ite mosque that ministers said saw "cold blooded" killings by U.S.-led troops.

As Shi'ite militiamen fulminated over Sunday's deaths of 20 or more people in Baghdad, an al Qaeda-led group said it carried out one of the bloodiest Sunni insurgent attacks in months. A suicide bomber killed 40 Iraqi army recruits in northern Iraq.

The Iraqi Defence Ministry said a suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt also wounded 30 at a base near Mosul.

After a confusing 24 hours following the bloodshed around Baghdad's Mustafa mosque in which the U.S. military restricted itself to issuing one somewhat opaque statement, U.S. officials distanced themselves from the operation, calling it Iraqi-led.

Officials in Baghdad appeared to wait for input from Washington, underlining the sensitivity of the confrontation between Iraq's Iranian-linked Shi'ite Islamist leaders and the U.S. forces at a time when Washington is pressing them to forge a unity government with minority Sunnis to avert civil war.

A day later, three broad versions of the events that led to the deaths of some 20 -- or possibly more -- people persisted.

Iraq's security minister accused U.S. and Iraqi forces of killing 37 unarmed civilians in the mosque after tying them up.

Residents and police, who put the death toll among the troops' opponents at around 20, spoke of a fierce battle between the soldiers and gunmen from the Mehdi Army militia of Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, whose followers ran the mosque.

And U.S. officials, finally confirming they were describing the same incident, stuck by a statement saying Iraqi special forces, advised by U.S. troops, killed 16 "insurgents" who fired on them first. They also insisted no troops entered any mosque and had freed an Iraqi being held prisoner.

CONFUSION

Several Iraqi officials said the raid may have targeted a site used by militiamen to hold illegal courts and executions, part of efforts to impose Islamic law in parts of Baghdad.

One source of confusion over the site may be that the mosque in question, close to Sadr's Sadr City stronghold in northeast Baghdad, was not a traditional religious building but a compound of former Baath party offices converted by Sadr followers.

A State Department official said in Washington: "This was an Iraqi planned and led operation and U.S. forces were only in an advisory capacity."

While U.S. officials refused to acknowledge that the targets of the operation were Shi'ites, and the sectarian affiliations of the Iraqi troops involved was unclear, the State Department official said the incident underlined what he called the need for Iraq's security forces to be free of sectarian bias.

One thing was certain: Shi'ite leaders were up in arms against the U.S. forces who effectively brought them to power by overthrowing Saddam Hussein's Sunni-dominated Baathist regime.

"The Alliance calls for a rapid restoration of (control of) security matters to the Iraqi government," Jawad al-Maliki, a senior spokesman of the Shi'ite Islamist Alliance and ally of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, told a news conference.

The United States handed over formal sovereignty in 2004 but 133,000 troops in the country give it the main say in security.

Government-run television repeated lengthy footage of the bodies of men in civilian clothes with no weapons in sight.

Baghdad provincial governor Hussein al-Tahan said he would halt all cooperation with U.S. forces.

Aides to Sadr denied any Mehdi Army fighters were present.

But witnesses spoke of a lengthy gun battle: "The shooting lasted for more than an hour," shopkeeper Ali Abdul Jabbar said.

SADR

The fiery young cleric's militia was ordered to disband after U.S. forces crushed uprisings in 2004. But it remains a force in southern Iraq and eastern Baghdad, and is accused by U.S. officials of some of the violence that killed hundreds of Sunnis after last month's bombing of a Shi'ite shrine.

Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, at the centre of urgent U.S. efforts to stem violence by creating a unity government, has said in recent days that the militias must be brought to heel and accused Iran of funding and training some armed groups. He said militias are now killing more Iraqis than the insurgents.

Khalilzad plans ground-breaking talks with Iran to try to break the deadlock over the formation of a unity government.

Iranian backing seems to have been critical in pushing Sadr to kingmaker status within the Alliance and to securing the nomination of Dawa party leader Jaafari to a second term. Sunni and Kurdish opposition to Jaafari is blocking a government deal.

Alliance leaders stayed away from the daily round of talks on the government, saying the mosque incident kept them busy.

President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, who has been hosting the negotiations said: "We have to know the truth about what happened, and we must not be driven by rumours. This is a very dangerous incident which we must investigate."

(Additional reporting by Alastair Macdonald, Michael Georgy, Mariam Karouny, Terry Friel, Hiba Moussa and Aseel Kami)

today.reuters.co.uk