To: Solon who wrote (23257 ) 3/26/2006 12:12:46 AM From: LLCF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931 <. But your statement that "Science is showing that observing or putting your attention on something changes it“" was misleading and based upon your personal prejudice.> Of course it's my opinion that scientists are showing that... because some say so and some say it's showing no such thing. If you've read so much about all this, it would be obvious... this is a HUGE topic in physics. All you had to say is that you weren't in 'that camp', and you think it's bull. So? <EVERY thing goes over your head!> LOL... it's funny, it looks the same from my point of view... all these topics send you scrambling over the wall in center field to scratch your head and wonder what the hell I'm talking about! But, yea, I know even so you've read all about it all... this is simply ANOTHER "Buddhist" concept you seemed to have missed with 'all your reading'. I'll rephraise it: Maybe there are just sheep and wolves... isn't that OK? You know, I"ve noted it before, but all your talk about 'evil' and 'evil leaders', 'gutless sheep', and the like is really earily like all you claim to detest in religion. <You're clueless about the matter, aren't you??> Actually, the interesting thing is that I don't think there is a topic we've addressed where your statement is true... and yet each time you come on and address each of these topics you somehow leave thinking you know all about it and I"m clueless. It's very interesting. We might want to move into psychology next. :) <"Wigner did not give many details to back up his idea (Whitaker, 1996, p. 201; Esfeld, 1999)."> Oh... is this an admission to the point along with an attempt to shove it out the back door of your mind... or??? I think we've had enough for the time being.... nice going though, you ACTUALLY seem to have done a couple of we searches on the relevant topics. Now just to recap the "wave function collapse & the observer"... remember that the experience of the mystic is that the substrate of the universe IS consciousness & not separate from the observer.................... DAK