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To: Neeka who wrote (162363)	3/28/2006 3:01:58 PM
From: slacker711	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793970

We've gone from 4 million illegal immigrants when Reagan was in office to 11-12 million (at least that is the line someone is feeding us) today, yet here we have it. A head of lettuce costs me almost a dollar more today than it did in the 80s. And that is just one example. I thought all these illegal immigrants, who were willing to do the jobs Americans wouldn't, were going to keep prices down? Or have we had that much inflation? I think it is pretty obvious that lettuce would cost even more if not for the illegal aliens keeping down labor costs....unless you believe that lettuce farming has some sort of incredible return on investment. The huge rise in immigration has also taken place during a period of very strong economic growth. I dont believe that it caused the growth, but if they kept down inflation, they have certainly helped. Additionally, the unemployment rate has gone down substantially over the last 20 years even while absorbing those 7-8 million illegal aliens. Take those 11-12 million people out of the labor force, and it is pretty much an automatic that we'll see a substantial rise in prices (especially in services). Slacker

To: Neeka who wrote (162363)	3/28/2006 3:16:05 PM
From: the_wheel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793970

Why can't we get some creative thinking in Congress? I would suggest open the border, outlaw the juxtaposition of the two words "illegal" and "alien" (I know thats against free speech) and throw in "miserable" and "failure" just to screw Google, lower the minimum wage to 54c, and watch the economy boom. Right now, I have to do my own gardening, housework, cooking, cleaning, etc, etc, etc, and next door they are real sloooow with the housing project sposed to be finished in May and I notice NO furriners working there just a lot of dilly-dallying and head scratching. If I could getsomebody for 4 bucks a day, I would hire several at a shot and I am sure employment would skyrocket plus maybe we could get some houses built quick and be more productive like Panama or Turkey.

To: Neeka who wrote (162363)	3/28/2006 3:18:58 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793970

If you don't like paying for a head of lettuce now, imagine what you'll pay when unionized American labor picks it.

To: Neeka who wrote (162363)	3/28/2006 3:20:12 PM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793970

i assume the cost of lettuce is transportation and handling costs. no farm cost. years ago you bought it from the fruit stand, now you have a structure with airconditioning, lights, bells, prime land, etc etc to buy a head of lettuce. now if you are in la you can still buy it off the guy on the corner as you stop for at a traffic light. amazing how many stands pop up on vacant lots out there.

To: Neeka who wrote (162363)	3/28/2006 3:25:30 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793970

Re Immigrants for Clinton-Gore Votes: I am reminded of the book "Sell Out" by David Shippers, retired Judge, Democrat, and picked by Henry Hyde for the Clinton Impeachment Trial.... amazon.com Bipartisan Bashing., November 16, 2000 Reviewer: Christopher B. Jonnes "author of BIG ICE and WAKE UP DEAD" Anyone who cares enough about freedom and democracy to take the time to cast a vote must read David Schippers' book, "Sell Out." Schippers establishes himself as a fair and independent thinker with high integrity, and then proceeds to tell the true story behind the impeachment of Bill Clinton, revealing the liars and cowards on both sides of the aisle. It's good reading. But the real story in this book is the revelation on what Schippers was working on before Zippergate pushed it to the sidelines. To this he devotes a few dozen pages early in the book in which he details his investigation of Al Gore's activities with the INS prior to the 1996 election. In an effort to expedite the naturalization of one million immigrants who might be more likely to vote Democratic, Team Gore pressured the INS to suspend standard background check procedures on applicants for US citizenship. The result was 75,000 convicted felons naturalized--20% of whom had re-offended as US citizens within two years--and another 168,000 naturalized without proper fingerprinting and FBI criminal history checks. Clinton/Gore imported criminals to maintain power. Literally thousands of US citizens were needlessly robbed, raped, and murdered as a result. In light of the other Democratic voter fraud allegations such as giving away cigarettes in Milwaukee, touring the jails to register misdemeanor crooks, and the mysterious disappearing 50,000-vote Bush lead in Florida late on election night, the INS debacle is something worth reading about. Most people have never heard this story. The mainstream Press won't touch it. This is arguably the worst political offense ever committed in this country, if true. Schippers, a life-long Democrat who voted twice for Clinton, shares the facts and makes a convincing case. --Christopher Bonn Jonnes, author of Wake Up Dead. 75 of 82 people found the following review helpful: I Read This Book in Two Days, August 23, 2000 Reviewer: Mark Alexander (Woodside, CA USA) - See all my reviews David, thank you. This is the insider account I have been waiting for, one that has persuaded me to vote for Ralph Nader. Schippers has done the nation a service by writing this account of the Impeachment investigations and proceedings. I trust him because he is a life-long Democrat who voted for Clinton twice; and because his writing displays the integrity of one who grasps the rule of law and understands the consequences when those in power get away with committing felonies. Reviewers who characterize this book as a partisan attack are simply not using their little grey cells. Schippers demonstrates his enourmous integrity by patiently facing dripping ridicule and disinformation from members of his own party. He understands that his is a reasoned argument that will persuade those who are genuinely open-minded and who are genuinely interested in the truth. His thought processes are an antidote to ideological poison on both sides. It is incredible that NOT ONE of the Senators examined the evidence, much of which was not made available to them prior to the Senate Trial. I had great hopes for President Clinton. And I used to have respect for a handful of Senators, both Democrat and Republican. Schippers demonstrates that his team, Congressman Hyde, and the House Managers were among the few who found the guts to rise above party politics and act from a principled position that endangered their political lives. If the Democrats and Republiicans are successful in spinning the Impeachment so that history fails to acknowledge Clinton's many felonies and the damage he has done, then our Nation is indeed in decline and tyranny not far away. My only mild complaint is that he was unable to name all the names. But he names enough. And don't miss the evidence he presents showing that both Clinton and Gore feloniously manipulated INS citizenship to allow tens of thousands of criminals into our country, simply to get votes for the 1996 elections. I am ashamed of this administration, and hope that the stables will finally be cleaned this November.