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To: Little John who wrote (8821)3/31/2006 12:59:06 AM
From: hubris33  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13449
 
Little John, interesting comment. I have recently had similar experiences with some of the ST trading I have been doing. I noticed that if I see a breakout chart pattern, then it seems like a bunch of other ST traders must be seeing the same thing, as once the price crosses these breakouts levels, buying just takes off and it is nearly impossible to get a limit order submitted before the market runs away from it. First thing I tried were plain stops and a few times the market ran up a bit before I got filled at substantially higher price. Then I tried stop limit orders with moderate success, though in a few cases even those got left behind. I think part of the key is to trade in only high volume stocks so that there is always liquidity around to meet the orders. {But isn't that the 'job of the market makers, insure liquidity?} Then perhaps the exchange has something to do with it as well. NYSE seems to have pretty good executions, though any stock can have periods of wild fluctuation. The AMEX is the worse, from my experience. The fills there are erratic and slow at times, so much so that I often route my orders around the AMEX to and ECN for better fills.

But liquidity is not always a guarantee of good fills either! Just be thankful you aren't trying this on a BB stock! I got toasted on more than a few of those where I couldn't even get a market order filled! Anything routed to NITE is a joke and the spreads on ARCA, at times, are unbelievable. With these one usually gets what they are given. The rules on the BB stated that the MM doesn't have to honor any bid/ask he posts.

Now of course errors can and do happen. I have been advised that when I get one of those screwy fills to call the broker and have done so. The broker calls the specialist to advocate for my fill and sometimes it is clear that the order should have been filled at a lower price. However, it is easy for the specialist to claim that there was little or no liquidity on the other side of the trade, or that I was too far down the list for the available liquidity.

I'll be interested to see what others experiences have been and any thoughts as to potential fixes. Thanks for bringing up the topic!

H3



To: Little John who wrote (8821)3/31/2006 9:13:23 AM
From: chowder  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 13449
 
The slippage is nothing when you consider you are buying a stock with upside momentum. That's how I place most of my orders.

It isn't the perfect entry that's important, (unless you are day trading), it's the exit. Better to pay up a few cents than risk missing a trade that takes off and leaves you behind.

Just my opinion.

dabum