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To: TimF who wrote (282671)	3/31/2006 9:03:48 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573852

Tim, you have so much crap in there I am going to pick and choose, or I would be at this far longer than I would like (BTW you always do the same). re: But corporate subsidies are not just direct outlays, they are also tax credits ** I don't think that they are properly called subsidies. Yes, they are ALWAYS called subsidies. re: On Social Security and Medicare, it's not a subsidy since they both have dedicated taxes, ** They are definitely transfer payments. Also dedicated taxes don't cause them not to be subsidies. The people receiving the money now receive more than they put in. Nobody has EVER called SS a "subsidy". As far as roi, it depends on how long you live. I'm going to be 57 in a couple of weeks, been paying since my teens. If I live to 90, I suppose I win... if a truck hits me tomorrow driving to work, I suppose you young folks win (if that's how you prefer to look at it). But you and I both know it's not a "subsidy". re: Because non-recipients are being taxed. The program provides a subsidy for the recipients at the expense of those who are taxed to pay for it, similar to any transfer program. Dedicated or non-dedicated tax doesn't matter. X is taxed to pay for benefits for Y. How the tax is structured isn't really relevant to this point. You are redefining the terms to match your argument. And you are digressing to avoid the original statement. I still don't buy that the middle class gets the bulk of the government "subsidies". Go ahead, get the "last word". Every discussion with you goes to the lowest common denominator, semantics.