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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (184391)	4/1/2006 4:59:58 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You can lead the horse to water, you can't make it drink. The hell you can't!! The Islamo-Fascists, such as Ahmadinejad, and others, intend to do just that!!! And they have little problem using violence, terror, and sheer intimidation, in order to accomplish their agenda. So you're wrong.. you CAN make a horse drink. I can padlock the beast in a cage, turn up the heat until the animal has no choice but to drink or die. And this analogy is very applicable to humanity. Dictators and Totalitarian ideologues have a LONG AND VIOLENT history of making human "horses" drink some very vile political and ideological concoctions. People can forced to live in conditions that they don't like, but have no choice but to accept if they want to continue living. After time, they may even seek to raise themselves up to the level of their oppressors by oppressing others (before the others rise to oppress them), becoming part of the "power elite" But the people being oppressed, manipulated, and denied their basic individuals rights as human beings would seldom, under conditions of anonymity, say that they like having someone else tell then what to do, or who to pledge their loyalty to. But they do it because they don't have a choice. People, such as Ahmadinejad and other radicals, have another agenda that they plan on forcing upon the people, and/or brainwashing them into believing. The saddest part of your response, however, is something that is reflected so clearly by liberals. You don't understand human nature, and you don't understand the forces that are opposing and seeking to destroy our liberties and way of life. You scoff, or utterly ignore, people like Ahmadinejad, who absolutely believes he's locked into a clash of civilizations and is awaiting a return of the Mahdi in his lifetime. You think he has no power, or is a paper tiger. But folks like Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, or Pol Pot all were ones rancorous ideologues with small followings. And look what evil they wrought upon humanity before we mustered the national will to confront and defeat them (at the cost of millions of human lives lost). You failed to detect the theme that the writer, a muslim, was conveying.. That while Bush's popularity was strong, they understood that the current structure of dictatorial and corrupt regimes in the Mid-East would have to reform. They didn't have a choice because American will was strong in the face of the recent memories of 9/11. But now? Due to partisan politics and undermining of our national will to deal with Islamo-Fascism, or to demand reform in the Mid-East, these regimes are backing off their reform efforts and waiting to see which way the political wind are blowing.. Most of them are praying that the US turns tail and flees from Iraq, never to meddle in their corrupt affairs of state ever again. They don't want to reform. They are too corrupt, and they know that if they fall from power, they can take their ill-gotten gains and move to Europe or elsewhere. And they know that the US will always stand ready to defend the region against people like Ahmadinejad and Al Qai'da, so they don't see the need to shake up their happy little fiefdoms, despite the fact that it is their very corruption that is CAUSING the rise of Islamo-Fascism and the resurgence of militant religion in the region. So why don't you go back and re-read that article and tell me exactly how you're planning on dealing with people like Ahmadinejad, as well as whether you have the will to continue Bush's policies of demanding political and economic reform in the region. Or are you content to sit back in "Fortress Amerika", behind oceanic moats that are no longer able to protect us from the barbarians at the gate... What's it going to take before you, and other liberals like you, to understand that there are some people who intend to do us some serious harm if we don't confront them? And when are you going to realize that showing weakness and hesitation in the face of such totalitarian agendas is only to going to make us even more vulnerable and ultimately lead into a situation where we're required to wage total war, not merely pre-emptive ones? I don't care who is president in the next election. But that President had better understand the enemy the US and the entire world is facing. And they'd better understand that showing fear and weakness is not going to solve the problem. Peace only comes through strength. Hawk