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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (184522)	4/4/2006 5:29:46 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"These governments in the Mid-East have no legitimacy Noel!!! As far back as 1955 I've argued that point. "And this lack of popular legitimacy is EXACTLY WHAT ENABLES GROUPS LIKE AL QAI'DA TO WIN SUPPORT AGAINST THEM!!!!" And as far back as 1955 I've argued that US policy to support these governments instead of movements for freedom within these countries was short sighted. I was wrong about the short sightedness. US support for terror regimes has had a long term benefit for the US but not for those who wanted democracy. "What I know is something that I can't really talk about in detail." Pure Macarthyism. "But I can repeat and opine on the public pronouncements of others who have made comments on our capabilities in Iraq and Afghanistan." Of course you can. Has anyone denied you that right? That doesn't make these pronouncements valid. You may or may not know which hidden agendas exist for those who make these pronouncements. But if you study US FP over the past many years one can see a pattern of support for non democratic governments as well as direct and indirect rejection of democratic movements. "Something to be real proud of when we find ourselves, not just in a counter-insurgency and nation-building mission, but rather in a full-fledged conflict that requires us to mobilize millions of young men and women to fix what you're so proud to have helped to subvert." The full fledged conflict became a "nation building mission" after neither WMDs nor links to al Qaeda were found. It's still about oil or have you forgotten? "How nice that you and your liberal ilk consider it to be "flattering" to undermine the reformatory efforts that were starting to take root in the Mid-East." There never was a "reformatory effort" in Iraq, just getting rid of Saddam. What was to come after was not relevant at the time. Then came al Qaeda and the terrorists/insurgents. Are you saying that the liberals invited them to Iraq? No, the neocons invited this problem through their rigid and dogmatic FP doctrines. Blaming liberals for the mess in Iraq is just double speak, agitprop if you will. If you want to assess blame then look to US policy.