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To: GPS Info who wrote (184528)4/3/2006 9:11:48 PM
From: neolib  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
making a good (moral) decision

if good = moral, you've significantly restricted the applicable range of that rule. I'd agree more with it that case.

The problem I see is if you have significant adverse facts, then what makes you think the decision is good? AFAIK, this is the defining legacy of Gulf II.

I see people talking past each other because they can’t or won’t address the real premise of each others position.

I agree. In addition there is another significant issue which always makes me dither as well: hard work vs. optimal choices. A successful outcome can be achieved in many cases even with very poor strategies, provided there is plenty of tenacity, while defeat can be easily had with excellent strategies, but half-hearted efforts.

From the beginning, I have considered the Iraqi adventure to be stupidity of the highest order, (Algeria in 1994 was all one needed to know) but that does not 100% mean it will fail.

A stable and democratic Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, uh… Middle East.
A defeated (or dead) Osama bin Laden, and a crushed Al Qaeda.
A convicted and death-sentenced Sadam Hussein.


I'd like to say the same about Mugabe in Zimbabwe, where I used to live, but there are two sides to ever coin. Being able to understand, at least dimly, the other side is useful.

For example, you might want to consider how Napoleon should be viewed relative to Saddam, or Osama, then ask yourself how history treats him. Tis a strange world.

To me, the primary issue is how to we, the US, comport ourselves while we attempt to achieve these noble goals.

That is best answered by asking oneself if a stable democratic Muslim theocracy in the ME is OK with the USA. Is it even any of our business? What if they want to execute religious converts? Thats what a casual understanding of Algeria would have given pause to before the headlong rush into Iraq.