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Politics : Rat's Nest - Chronicles of Collapse -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill on the Hill who wrote (3813)	4/7/2006 12:09:25 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24213

6 bucks a dozen? I think we were selling ours for a buck and a half, but that was a few years ago. Thought about getting some, but it's probably cheaper for one person to buy. Glad to hear about the group. Tell them you know a heavy from Willits. I'll start eating as soon as I post this. Actually, if they haven't done it yet, best thing is to watch End of Suburbia. I can send you a copy if they need one. Ferget the granolas. They want to sing songs and come out with yer own local barter currency you won't be able to use to buy coffee in Denver. Ferget the vegans. Or don't, really. Encourage them, until it's time to eat them. Good, tender grain fed vegans. Yummmmmmm.

To: Bill on the Hill who wrote (3813)	4/7/2006 6:22:08 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24213

Interesting rant from Todd on TOD. I've posted some of his stuff here before. Jason is Bradford, the guy behind motivating Willits. Can't say I really disagree with Todd. He's also the guy who told me that, when the Depression hit up here, all the deer were hunted out in 6 months. Maybe you guys would be better off talking to him. Rat@livingbetweenthe2.com ------------------------------------------- Todd on Fri Apr 07 at 5:20 PM EST Posters note: Some of the following comments refer to local issues. However, space does not permit elaborating. Further, I am highly critical of the efforts that Jason's group, Willits (CA) Relocalization (WELL) have made. I live in the town north of Willits and am very aware of his group's efforts. Jason, I know that this is the big WELL conference weekend (I don't have your URL off the top of my head so maybe you want to post it). Yet, it is suggested/required that attendees come with 12 different color marking pens. And, BTW, no reason was given for having the pens. Let's see, does Willits or any community within 90 miles (your relocatization diameter) make marking pens? And, don't marking pens require petroleum products? My problem is that you and WELL are pissing around the edges. The current population of Willits is unsustainable regardless of any efforts that are taken and you must know it. It is unsustainable even if you draw on resources 100 miles out because then you will be competing with cities like Santa Rosa with 100k+ people. In addition, Willits produces nothing besides a few beef cattle and some hay - it's all people washing each other's laundry. All the major manufacturing businesses have closed such as Harwood Products (a lumber mill and before Jason's time) and Remco which left the ground containinated with chrome salts. Nor, has WELL addressed water. You haven't lived there when the city had to draw on the Boy Scout lake (a private lake) or it would have run out of potable water. Think of the water problems if a number of residents decide to grow gardens. The usual rationale is, "Well, at least we are doing something." I am fed up with this sort of shuck and jive. "Something" isn't going to do it and you must realize this. Don't you feel a moral responsibility to be honest? The next rationale is usually, "The people aren't ready to hear the truth." In other words, let's play the Wizard of Oz behind a curtain and, when things get bad enough, we'll open the curtain. I don't want to belabor these issues...and there are far, far more. Julian Darley (sp) is wrong; relocalization won't do it when local economies don't produce anything and the people within them have no transferable skills. When you drive through town, do you see any businesses that are not totally, absolutely dependent upon other businesses that actually make stuff a thousand miles away or off shore? Sorry for the rant. I've been working up to it for a long time. theoildrum.com