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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (7953)	4/8/2006 1:41:32 PM
From: ahhaha	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24758

I think I have it figured out. You put out these absurd positions to try and get someone to put together an argument to help you in some decision making process. A crucible of sorts. I didn't ask you to post here. Read my thread header. It is you who put out the absurd and unstudied positions. You only show your own ignorance by doing that. This is patently clear in your false and prejudiced view of China. I have no need to prove my case to you. You have no case. Just a bag of silly prejudices which you trot out trying to defend what can't be defended. In effect, you're defending what the 'crats have done to the US. Having done (and still doing) a substantial amount of business in China, I know that "guilt" has nothing to do with the negotiation tactics. Doing business in China tells you nothing about China. Nothing. It's very much like the marines coming back from Vietnam proclaiming that they knew all about the Vietnam War when they knew nothing. It's very much like the media and people like yourself, even ex-FOMC members making presumably authoritative statements on CNBC based on their background when in fact they know nothing about the FED machinery. It's like most of what goes on in our society, called expertism, where paid opinion is dead wrong. Most of what I post here addresses the ongoing pump of mythical invention that serves to determine how choices are made, choices that affect me. There are many people in the U.S. and even right here on SI who support the U.S. Government building out the broadband network so that everyone has fiber to the home. The idea being that this would stimulate the U.S. economy. I disagree with this as I consider it to be a socialistic policy (and as an extension, will be done less efficiently and will have long term negative effects). What kind of stupid mythical creation is this? The kind that serves some confused ulterior motive? That's like saying the invention of the telegraph forever destroyed the solemnity that individuals could enjoy. This is exactly* that the Chinese government is doing in the major cities.* You're an embarrassment. You claim to do business in China yet you haven't got a clue about how things work there. You don't have a clue because you can't comprehend how raw capitalism works after having spent your whole life suffocating under socialism. Of all the people posting on this thread only one has a grasp on the degree that socialism has come to pervade society. I shouldn't be surprised. Fighting in Vietnam tells you nothing about the Vietnam War. And since the major cities get this telecom buildout, so do the rest of the provinces. Yup, go out into the agriculural areas where there is no electricity to the homes, let alone computers or cell phones and you will find POPs filled with networking gear that was purchased 5 years ago and will be many generations obsolete by the time the potential "market" gets electricity. This always happens when a socialist state which is transitioning to capitalism has yet to get rid completely of its apparachniks. Socialism is inherently inefficient since it operates on command. Capitalism is inherently efficient since it operates on greed for gain and fear of loss. But to your specific point, have you considered that the lack of electricity means China's capitalism will take a different route than taken by the fat West? Have you considered wireless build out? How much electricity is needed for that? I'm not sure why you bring up "crats" and "liberals" when it was Chinese businessmen who were sitting across the table from me dangling those 1.25 billion potential consumers....on numerous occasions. Explicit evidence that you don't know what the hell you're doing boy. I don't care if some fool is willing to pay you to pretend to do some job. I could clean your clock in your specialty with no training and I can do that because I've been hammered on the anvil of capitalism. You're a little kiddie who takes his outdated attitudes formed under socialism into a real world environment. In the real world no one is nice and caring and no one parades around to show how much good they have done., and I wouldn't pay you a damn cent unless you could beat me at my specialty. And where you think I may have a moral judgement with the Chinese, you are very wrong. Well what do you think you've made above? I have tremendous respect for the people I have done business with there. That is a lie. Do you really think you can fool me? You're trying very hard to fool yourself. That's a factor that the Chinese will use to take you to the cleaners. Your only defense against capitalist motivation is honesty and honesty starts with being honest with yourself. In contrast, in socialism you're so deeply immersed in a collection of lies that you can't tell what's true or false. This is the nature of socialism and it's the nature of US society. Everyone in the US is compromised because they think they must lie to keep or get money. Marx called this material alienation. I see it every day from everyone I know and I spend a lot of time calling them on it so that they've learned that to deal with me they have to be honest with themselves. They hate it, but it does wonders for them. There is a truly competitive approach to the negotiation. You're no negotiator for there is no "truly competitive approach to negotiation". As Adam Smith would tell you, although it would fall on ears filled with silver, the proper way to reach a deal is by any means possible. This is alien to the lost American. They do everything that they can do to get the absolute best price (including dangling those 1.25 billion consumers). They use any means possible including what they know will suck in amateur capitalists like Americans. Often then can get a deal where current business is done at a loss with the promise of future business that never materializes. You don't know that. That's another self disserving assumption on your part. It is our responsibility to make sure that we get the best deal on our side without listening to the smoke and mirrors that are provided in the negotiation. A statement by a bagged sucker, for sure. c'mon, you could do better than 'guilt tripped'. You can't.