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To: TimF who wrote (184039)4/10/2006 10:16:27 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 186894
 
>> The actual cost reduction per chip is only $3.34 on a chip that they sell for $140

>> The number can be off without invalidating the point as long as the relationships between them aren't too far off.

I think your starting assumption numbers are way too far off.

Intel's gross margin was 60% in in q4. That means the ASP of $150 has avg variable cost per chip of $60. When you add in all other costs (except income tax), the cost is $113/chip. So profit per chip (excluding tax) is $37.

The numbers for Intel are polluted by inconsistent treatment of flash.

Same calculation for AMD (exclude flash):

ASP=$100.
cost=83
pre-tax profit=$17/chip.

A cross check is that AMD made $240m profit in q4, from selling 14m chips.
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This calculation gives a more realistic view of how much each company can cut prices before entering into a true loss from ops.

If Intel cuts its prices across the board by $18/chip, it would still make half its '05 profit, which will be over $4.4B after tax.

If AMD had to match the cut by an equal $18/chip, it would be in the red.

I am sure there are flaws in the above. I think it is a reasonable start for evaluating the ability of each company to survive a price battle.



To: TimF who wrote (184039)4/10/2006 10:17:52 PM
From: etchmeister  Respond to of 186894
 
I always thought die size was a key factor for AMD to extend successfully 200 mm manufacturing as well as 90nm but I believe AMD's (relative) die size advantage is gone or at least decreased.
Besides speed of ranp (time to market) as well as yield ramp improvements.