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To: ahhaha who wrote (7974)	4/12/2006 4:57:06 PM
From: ahhaha	Respond to of 24758

Speaking of the uncompetitive, GM General Motors Vice Chairman Global Product Development Lutz speaks on CNBC, says Wagoner is the man to continue the turnaround (19.68 +0.46) Says they have already hit the inflection point, the outside world just doesn't see it yet. What they don't see is the inevitable BK. About 6 months ago they had a chance, but the unions killed all hope. Says Rick (Wagoner) will reside over the turnaround of GM. Says bankruptcy is totally out of the question, says talk of it was entirely a figment of the media and some analysts, some of whom he suspects had a short position in the stock. A Yahoo board poster kind of opinion. Various CNBC media types came on CNBC today making an argument that all GM needed to do was redesign. Still in la la land like wobbly boy. The problem is union compensation. No dramatic reduction in that and GM can't survive. It's that simple. Says again that they don't believe their will be a strike. How reassuring. Here they are teetering on the edge of BK with the unions threatening to strike, and he believes there won't be a strike. This is wobbly boy's American capitalism at its best. Lutz comments are another collection of self serving myths that have NO basis in reality. Just ask yourself, do you want to buy a Saturn car? I know, you prefer the Escalade...

To: ahhaha who wrote (7974)	4/12/2006 11:06:21 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24758

First thing, wobbly boy, I don't allow your kind of pretentious argument on MY thread yes, you are famous for not tolerating anyone who points out your bullshit. You can put any words you want in the mouths of fools on the rest of the fool threads in SI, but you can't do that here Right, putting words in other's mouths is your specialty. Which is what you did with my posts. Made assumptions because you want to believe that I am part of the great liberal conspiracy. I am not. I oppose government meddling in most things, but especially business. I believe that the free market is the most efficient process and I believe that when we stray from it, that we are dooming ourselves in the long run. I stated it clearly when I said that I am opposed to the government trying to stimulate the economy through infrastructure buildout. If you work on YOUR reading comprehension skills, you will see in the paragraph where you quoted me that I say " I disagree with this as I consider it to be a socialistic policy (and as an extension, will be done less efficiently and will have long term negative effects).". And it IS socialistic if the infrasture is funded, owned and operated by the government. And that is the case in China. In addition, a telecom buildout is certainly something that can be done by entities other than the government. Telecom is nothing like roads and sewers. There is absolutely no reason that the government should be funding, owning and operating the telecom network in a truly capitalistic society. This claim is exactly equivalent to the claim made in 1900 in the US that no one would want to buy autos or washing machines since the vast majority of Americans were still living an agrarian subsistence lifestyle. A few robber barons and capitalist pigs decided that that was bs. These days that would be considered anti-competitive in the US. Here's a quaint word for you to learn "context". Try it some time. I am not arguing against doing business in China because the real addressable market today is smaller than most perceive. I was simply stating that to accept business today at a loss or breakeven because of this vast untapped market, is absurd. And yes, businesses are doing that. In order to get their foot in the door of the 1.25billion consumer market, they give their product away at a loss. By the time those 750million agrarian chinese have any interest in my product (or most western manufactured products), I will be dead. Therefore, they do not count in my equation. It doesn't mean that the other 500million or so aren't a perfectly legitimate market to address, but I am certainly not going to consider the other 750million when I am negotiating. I see you're a true believer in the gods and the slobs. It's all about us against them, adversarialism that comes from material alienation. I'd call your problem pure envy, typical of a person poor in spirit. I constructed the gods and slobs to bag suckers like you, and that guilt bagging is exactly what I meant when I said your guilt from material alienation that comes from having a little would be used by the Chinese to bury you. No, you are incorrect. I do not believe in gods and slobs. I thought it was laughable the first time you brought it up and I find it amusing that you consider yourself a "god". I'm no fool to recognize the obvious fact that China is default free market capitalist while you operate under protectionism. Your success comes from that protectionism. You can't compete in the real world. Just because you make shit up to fit your view of the world, doesn't make it true. The simple fact is that the Chinese government is at best operating to benefit a small subset of the population. Those "capitalists" that you so admire are mostly part of the legacy government. It is cronyism at best, but it ain't capitalism. You don't know what you are, and the above ambiguity shows it. This is what comes in a society that's confused about its social economic philosophy, the outcome of Samuelson's "mixed economy", "a little socialism a little capitalism and everyone is happy". It certainly seems to make you happy. I am against the socialism that has entered and continues to enter in the U.S. I believe that it makes us weaker as a country and as a society. I also see it as flawed when another country is doing it, like China. As has been pointed out on this thread, without property rights their system has an achilles heal. But even more importantly, there is not protection for intellectual property. This will be severely limiting for China going forward as well. China isn't going to bury the U.S. They are however, very likely to make the playing field more level so that the U.S. has to become more competitive. But as they get more successful, they too will become victims of rising expectations. The only relevant truth for you is the Chinese will bury the US and they will do it because they practice free market capitalism while the US practices ever greater socialism. The Chinese government is corrupt to the core. Because of this, any burying that they do, will be short lived. I am convinced that if someone came on the thread and said "the sky is blue" you would come back and make the argument that the sky is really every color but blue and that they are idiot crats for even trying to assert that the sky is blue when it is clear that the absorption of all other colors is the real determination of the color of the sky. And then you would ban them for being pretentious and having the nerve to challenge the only expert on the subject.

To: ahhaha who wrote (7974)	4/12/2006 11:43:29 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24758

I know that you would be an abject failure at my job because you would not be able to conceal your contempt for every person that isn't as smart as you (at least in your eyes). It is you who has the contempt, but you can't see it. Further, you can't serve others unless you have contempt for them. Since you can't comprehend that, you're doomed to the myth of your success. back to the reading comprehension skills. The real point is that you would be unable to conceal your contempt, not that you actually had it. But you are too busy seeing what you want to see so that you can fabricate another bullshit response. The scariest thing is that you actually believe your own bullshit.

To: ahhaha who wrote (7974)	4/13/2006 11:50:20 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 24758

The only relevant truth for you is the Chinese will bury the US* and they will do it because they practice free market capitalism while the US practices ever greater socialism.* no.... the only relevant truth is, unless and until the chinese embrace true capitalism by respecting human rights and property rights (as grace correctly pointed out) the chinese are destined to be the perpetual 'sweat shop' of the forseeable future... bury us? remember this quote? "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." ~Vladimir Ilyich Lenin no, i don't think so...history has proven he's a rotting corpse on display and any state that fails to embrace true capitalism is the same and then of course.. there is this "we will bury you!" ~n. kruschev which leads me to a certain amount of agreement with you (assuming i even understand you correctly, a strange feat, to be sure) kruschev later 'clarified' his remarks en.wikipedia.org Khrushchev himself remarked, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you" [3], a nod to the popular Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism". so if your point is the increasing adoption of the old european model of socialism.... your point is well taken :)